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I guarantee, if they listed them for $1 and, really, I mean really, let the market decide their value, they wouldn't be selling for 100 and 100ks of dollars. These players are not in bid wars at the high price. its 1 bid, then sold to the unknown buyer. But hey, lets not be honest here. Lets go hide behind the guise of "real market value." lmao (and YOU DON'T KNOW!)

As for storing the other 8 youngsters, that was you that counted them in your explanation. I'm not on that genius level of math so you can explain it to me.

Which problem are we trying to solve here?

The daytraders or the inexperienced users gifting money?

Solving the last one, means capping new users o limit them in some way so they can't miss big, which is hard.

Solving the first one IMHO, is doable. How would I limit daytrading?:

Establishing selling limitations

Instead of messing with player valuation and reports (I was a GM before, been there, done that), I would apply some limitations.

For e.g., you can't sell a freshly bought player unless (whichever happens first):

* It achieves a minimum player role of X
* Gets injured
* Stays on the team for a minimmum of Y weeks.
* Your finance is in red numbers or your weekly economy isn't profitable
* Player isn't top five on your payroll.

I imagine a minimmum player role of (4)rotation player. Of course some tweaking of the pace on which the status varies could help, but this would force the team to lineup the recently bought player in official games.
So if you want to daytrade, you still can do it but you have to carry the burden of having a bad player on your games.
This also serves as a limit to how many players you can sell while doing this, since you can't field every bought player.

Again, this is a matter of what are we trying to solve here.
I'm playing BB since Season 2, and the market value rules where meant for cheaters, not for daytraders.
Limiting daytrading with the actual rules, enforcing a theoretically market value to apply fines, is short-sighted at best IMO.
And the backlash on this thread is absolutely justified (and I hate daytrading).

Last edited by Kainan-Maki at 5/11/2022 12:59:30 PM

I can go on and bid 400k for a player on the TL, does that mean they are worth 400k, no.

Yes, it means he is worth 400k for you...or you made mistake (your loss, because don't exist here a law protecting buyers, so you can't return purchase within 14 days:P). Maybe you see something special what others don't see. Maybe he is kind of a exclusive player for you. Maybe his name is special for you. Maybe you are emotionally connected with this player. I mean can be many purchase factors. As long as both sides aren't in collusion, or somebody don't want to just donate your colleague everything is ok. Laundering of money in game is not possible so everything should be fine:-)

Seller can always demand as much as he wish for player, buyer can pay as much as he want. Nobody force to buy. Deal are made when demands of seller will meet willigness and possibilities of buyer. This is how free market behave.

I will clarify a few things as I think I understand where you are coming from in your argument:

1. I think what you're doing is smart and requires being very active (I wish I had thought of it)

2. I'm not against buying at a low point and selling at a high point to make money.

3. The transfers of these young players with high potential a few weeks apart for sometimes 10x as much money are not about playing the market. They are about playing less knowledgeable and new users. I don't think this is a good thing for BB and I don't want this to be the go to way to make money (though I'll do it if it is). It seems like you think it is fine way to gain an advantage and should be a part of the game. This is where we disagree.

I guarantee, if they listed them for $1 and, really, I mean really, let the market decide their value, they wouldn't be selling for 100 and 100ks of dollars. These players are not in bid wars at the high price. its 1 bid, then sold to the unknown buyer. But hey, lets not be honest here. Lets go hide behind the guise of "real market value." lmao (and YOU DON'T KNOW!)

And so what with this? What it would prove? Only that putting players on TL from 1$ is your own risk, what is always well-known. Try to put all your players on TL for 1$ now, if you are so smart. I guess you don't get even half of money that you would expect. It's simply not the best time on selling players. Again LAW OF DEMAND AND SUPPLY. Demand on players are much lower currently than at the beginning of season or before PO. You can't pretend that time of putting player on TL have no influence on price.

What I should expect putting them on TL from 1$? I doubt people would care that I have my own costs and they would add these costs bidding them

I fix my price. If you want, you can buy. I don't force you to do this. If not, I will be left with my costs and loss. It's my risk of this investment.

All would be happy if could buy cheap and sell expensive. I understand it:-) But it's not so easy.


Last edited by kozlik4 at 5/11/2022 1:58:17 PM

The transfers of these young players with high potential a few weeks apart for sometimes 10x as much money are not about playing the market.

I know 10x sometimes sounds huge, ridiculous etc., but range of price for youngsters are huge in fact. Players with similar TSP can cost completely different money just because somebody value a lot e.g. low RB for guards or low IS for bigs or just this particular player suits to another two trainees...and we still talk about realtive low amounts of money, what cause that 10x is easy to happen.

They are about playing less knowledgeable and new users.

I recommend you give up in e.g. cup game to not play on less knowledgeable users and support newbies:P If all experienced users start to give up games and let them win, then amount of new users will increase for sure:D This is really ridiculous:-)

In the same time, implement two different engines for league and cup games to make a game easier to understand for newbies

Last edited by kozlik4 at 5/11/2022 2:29:51 PM

Here lets check the receipts on a few transfers that are what I believe the BB's are talking about and what I think aren't right. Feel free to defend these however you want, I just want it to be clear what I am talking about.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Peter Phuan for $31,00 (hall of fame potential)
Oct. 28, 2021 You sell Peter Phuan for $350,000

In the 3 weeks on your team Peter Phuan never receives 48 minutes of training. He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 games for this new team and they go bot.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Besar Paqarizi for $68,000 (hall of fame potential)
Dec 1, 2021 You sell Besar Paqarizi for $229,000

Besar Paqarizi receives limited training on your team (full training some weeks). He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 minutes for this team and they go bot.

July 1, 2021 You purchased Thibault Nivet for $82,700 (hall of famer potential)
August 8, 2021 You sell Thibault Nivet for $249,000

Thibault Nivet receives limited training on your team in the one month. He is bought by a new team. He plays 2 games for this new team and then is fired.

I can keep looking, but these are the types of transfers I'm against. It is no secret that new players overrate potential. Should we be able to exploit this as experienced users? I don't think that is a good idea.

On your assessment has big influence that they weren't being trained.

If they were being trained (gym lvl3 + trainer lvl5), they would be worth let's say 3M$ (maybe even more) per each on market.

So what was mistake: transfer or not training them?

200-300k for perspective young player with almost the highest potential is really that much? Of course, it's price for potential more than skills, but perspectives on selling them with profit are big.

By the way, potential is currently very desirable (I don't agree it's overrated) because new facilities and trainers block player's potential very early.

By the way: Is it fair enough, when somebody buy top trainer for 3kk and made top player, and then somebody buy this really top player for 3kk, because his salary is too high to carry for most teams:)

Isn't it a playing on innocence/kindness of users, who like training? BB is full of injustice.