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14900.815 in reply to 14900.814
Date: 2/2/2010 1:04:35 PM
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Me: My two wings had season highs in turnovers inexplicably, three of their players matched or bested season highs. They weren't playing FCP, their OD was only a meager inept(high) and I've played better teams all year. Even the GS difference was only +1, and my superior players get completely tooled?

Captain Obvious: You lost because you commited too many turnovers. And because your guard shot a low percentage.

Me: Nice job Captain Obvious, and if you hadn't noticed, the other team shot a lower percentage than I did, that had nothing to do with it.

Captain Obvious' Companion: Well he gave you an answer so that must be it. Dur...


Not trying to throw fuel on the fire here, but as somebody looking from the outside in, it doesn't look to me like yours is somehow the obviously superior team. Looking at the match-up ratings, you had an advantage at PF, he had an advantage at C and SF, and PG/SG were about even. Without looking any deeper than HCA, match-up ratings, and a slight GS advantage for your opponent, I think people in general would probably predict this to be a close game, maybe 60/40 in favor of the home team. So I don't think this game was some kind of massive upset.

Additionally, I'd dispute that you've played better teams all year: with the exception of 7ward, I would say that you'd played pretty much the scrubs of your league up until the game against Newark. And even in the game against 7ward, it looks like both his SG and SF are scorers more than anything. So I would guess that until this game, your SG/SF had never played a full game of man-to-man covered by good defensive players. And I would say his players probably are the best defenders you'd seen up to that point; they may not have had quite so many steals before your game but they've both had a few 3-4 steal games previously.

So my impression of this game is that you happened to run a low post offense with your SG/SF/PG matched up against the best individual perimeter defenders they'd seen all season (his PG also looks like a decent defender), and your perimeter players (who look more scoring focused vs moving the ball into the post focused) ended up having trouble getting the ball inside, and had to settle for tough shots.

(edit) Re: the inept(high) OD team rating- Ignoring the fact that inept(high) OD is still better than either inept(low) outside scoring or awful(high) offensive flow, or the fact that the team ratings aren't usually very insightful, while the OD team rating is probably weighted toward the perimeter players, I am pretty sure it also takes into account PF/C outside D to some extent. So the OD team rating could be dragged down a bit to inept(high) by big men with very poor OD, even if the wings (who are the only ones guarding you in a man-to-man) actually have a higher OD.

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14900.817 in reply to 14900.814
Date: 2/2/2010 4:01:55 PM
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Obviously I don't know your team. So I can only try to analyse your game by looking at the boxscore. And, you're right, it was pretty obvious you turned the ball over too many times and your SG took too many shots he didn't make. Seemed to me that your players didn't get the ball to someone who had a better chance to score so they either took a bad shot or turned the ball over.

So I asked, whether these points might be the answer to your question, since I obviously don't know your players skills. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

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14900.818 in reply to 14900.817
Date: 2/7/2010 2:33:53 AM
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(18256059) Did I lose it only because of HCA and probably very bad luck?

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14900.820 in reply to 14900.819
Date: 3/13/2010 4:16:08 PM
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how can rebounds go this way? i mean i wont say i should have won this but if my rebounders are so much better why the game engine fails to produce the right plays?

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14900.821 in reply to 14900.820
Date: 3/13/2010 5:17:44 PM
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The biggest difference is on PG rebounds, Montilla is just a great rebounder.

Anyway your OD seems really much lower than your opponent so im surprised he only won you by 1.

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14900.822 in reply to 14900.821
Date: 3/13/2010 6:42:12 PM
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montilla's rebounding is 7. my center has 16 and pf has 25+. my opponent's other bigs do not have more than 14. so do not just try to explain something you have no idea about.

as i said, i did not expected to win. by the way, my offensive flow is much better than his, right? and so is my supposedly rebounds. whatever... i did not post this game to receive such useless responses.

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14900.824 in reply to 14900.822
Date: 3/13/2010 6:59:19 PM
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Wow! I can take a defeate, but I can not take a defeat that shouldn't have been a defeat, if the matchsystem wouldn't have malfunctioned I would've won. The ratings were to my favour. At all aspects. And the guy who won had lost every single quarter until the last one, which he outscores me with 14 points.

So despite better ratings at both team ratings and player ratings, outscoring him in every quarter until the fourth and had better game shape on my guys then he had - I still didn't win...

I still can't believe it. And I'm usually not a sore loser, but now I am. Because my team should've won that game. Without a doubt.

Last edited by Jimmy911 at 3/13/2010 7:02:12 PM

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14900.825 in reply to 14900.823
Date: 3/14/2010 3:25:12 AM
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it works both ways you know. i hate to see people posting unneccessary replies where they really shouldnt. i dont see his point, and noone needs to be reminded he is just lost. since you think "the information" on montilla is useful, i have to ask what it is.

i sensed that you find it very ordinary that a respectable point guard grabs so many rebounds while i have 25+,16,5,6,3 rebounders. the other team has something like that, 14,15,6,7,7. also i am not interested in personal stats here. saying " oh monttile is just great" because he grabbed those rebounds is plain disrespect to anyone who spends time to this forum. i gave the link to the game. has this guy even bothered to compare the rebounding ratings? have you? well, you might better look at my previous games, then you might get why i expected to outrebound my opponent by 20 and get outrebounded by a 7-rebound point guard. if you find it so normal, then you should be able to explain, why it was almost the first time this has happened at the most important game of the season. for gods sake, i outrebounded by a team that plays 3-2 when i am playing man to man and producing much better rebounding ratings.

as i said, whatever. i know noone can actually give me an appropriate answer here. things happens. i shouldnot shot this well anyway. just that, when there is no difference in attitude and enthusiasm, rebounding should have a more solid aspect of a team.

Last edited by left hand path at 3/14/2010 4:03:46 AM

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