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Date: 5/30/2012 7:05:18 AM
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I think you (all here discussing deadlines) are going too far with deadlines, because tanking is about hoarding large amounts of money from loosing if BB can prevent tanking teams from getting this money when your scenario of #2 tanking won't be relevant.


That's a fair point. As a side point to the tanking debate, I would also like to see something implemented that stops teams from buying players with unsustainable salaries, just for the playoffs. Moving the transfer deadline would achieve this.


So.. I think to solve the problem, BBs will have to change the arena attendance algorithm. Tanking teams should no longer get 400k+ in gate receipts. Losing every game should have a much more severe effect on this income. Plus, defeats by 50,60 or 70 point and more, should result in a much lower attendance in the next home game.


Another fair point. I think most of us are agreed on this.

A couple of other suggestions...

- Maybe look at some kind of draft lottery, similar to the NBA, rather than just awarding the #1 pick to the bottom team?

- Any team that concedes a walkover should lose all training for that week. (This is the case in Hattrick and it works fine.)

From: Koperboy

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Date: 5/30/2012 7:14:09 AM
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GS downgrading is silly, given that players will be able to regain good GS in 1, maximum 2 weeks.


Getting from Respectable to Proficient game shape can be tricky sometimes. Especially because calculations of game shape contain a random factor. It can take you only two weeks, but normally it takes at least three weeks. So with downgrading GS you'd have to buy a late reinforcement a bit earlier than usual, paying at least two more salaries than you wanted to. And that's effectively moving the deadline for playoff eligibility without actually moving it.

However I agree with you on changing the arena attendance algorithm.

From: Hopson

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D5:
8th:20k
7th:35k
6th place 50k
5th place 75k
4th place 100k
3rd place 125k
2nd place 150k
1st place 200k

D4:8th 50k
7th:75k
6th 100k
5th 125k
4th 150k
3rd 175k
2nd 200k
1st 300k

D3

8th 150k
7th 200k
6th 250k
5th 275k
4th 300k
3rd 350k
2nd 375k
1st 400k

D2:

8th 250k
7th 300k
6th 375k
5th 400k
4th 475k
3th 575k
2nd 675k
1st 800k

D1:

8th 400k
7th 475k
6th 550k
5th 625k
4th 700k
3rd 800k
2nd 900k
1st 1 million

Now, chose, More money for everyone (And maybe thus helping solve tanking) or tough's (seemingly fair) chart up there

Edited: Made more fair prices for everyone to at least to be a contender wether demoting or promoting.

Last edited by Hopson at 5/30/2012 7:32:07 AM

From: FenXas
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One more idea: tv contract according results. Why all teams receive the same ? TV trying to buy more expensive but better products. Who wanna watch crappy losers (tanking) ?
5th place tv contract basic and grows or falls depends on your place, for example :)

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Date: 5/30/2012 8:09:26 AM
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So.. I think to solve the problem, BBs will have to change the arena attendance algorithm. Tanking teams should no longer get 400k+ in gate receipts. Losing every game should have a much more severe effect on this income. Plus, defeats by 50,60 or 70 point and more, should result in a much lower attendance in the next home game.


This solution would also hurt newly promoted teams that can't compete at higher level and actually lose a lot of games with roster they can afford and teams that lose on purpose to have better GS for cup games or playoffs.


Increasing salary floor will not work either, since this will punish teams that create strong balanced rosters with lower salaries, but are still competitive.


This is could be true in lower divisions or in micronations, for example in my division salary cap is 57k and I can have a roster with 50k salaries that will have record of 20-2 at the end of the season, but salary cup in higher division with lot of users being around 250k is just too low, you can't create strong balanced roster with 250k salaries for example in Spain or Italy.

Last edited by Ghost Master at 5/30/2012 8:33:35 AM

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Date: 5/30/2012 9:29:33 AM
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So.. I think to solve the problem, BBs will have to change the arena attendance algorithm. Tanking teams should no longer get 400k+ in gate receipts. Losing every game should have a much more severe effect on this income. Plus, defeats by 50,60 or 70 point and more, should result in a much lower attendance in the next home game.


This solution would also hurt newly promoted teams that can't compete at higher level and actually lose a lot of games with roster they can afford and teams that lose on purpose to have better GS for cup games or playoffs.


Not necessarily, as in this special case of a promoting team, a factor could be implemented to these teams to diminish this "lower attendance" effect (rather than removing it totally), and combined to the supporter boost, there would be little change.
but I don't know if it would be good to help too much these teams as many tanking teams are teams which just promote, no ?!
I have no idea of the ratio of old/new team...

anyway, i've seen many good suggestions here and a rather strong desire of change in some BB aspects, including tanking.
Really hope the remaining BB's will listen and do something, and not in 3 seasons !!
because I will be far away by then if nothing changes....


Last edited by Alex CB at 5/30/2012 9:30:20 AM

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However, it's also true some players can play better after a trade, for example Stephen Jackson or Kawhee Leonard at Spurs.This would be a bit tougher to address.
Haha! I was about to post this but then I saw that you had said it already.

Spurs must have a level 7 trainer

From: Axis123

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Date: 5/30/2012 10:23:12 AM
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My opinion:
Buy player = GS Downgrade (1st half of season -1, 2nd half -2,
week or two before playoff -3) except if players GS lower 5;
Need team loyalty or Team chemistry (new START player mess up team)
Too much losses in a row, technical losses, not full line-up - fans boycott

+1 (million)

Honestly, tell me, who would want to support a team that played rubbish players and lost by a crazy amount? And, worse than that, who would want to go and watch games that might be forfeits?

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Date: 5/30/2012 10:29:42 AM
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I'm assuming the BBs read through the topics on Global, so considering the amount of discussion (and suggestions) that has taken place in here, it would be nice to get some kind of comment or feedback from them...

From: Axis123

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Please "ball" posts you like, so the BB gods, if they're reading, can get an idea of what people like and don't like.

Ultimately, we are their customers.

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Date: 5/30/2012 11:02:04 AM
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And you should do something with players prices!!!
In generally promising draftees cost much more then good trained but older players. Its not normal...


what does impact draftees prices? FARM TEAMS. We need to get rid of them the sooner the better.

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