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how can rebounds go this way? i mean i wont say i should have won this but if my rebounders are so much better why the game engine fails to produce the right plays?

The biggest difference is on PG rebounds, Montilla is just a great rebounder.

Anyway your OD seems really much lower than your opponent so im surprised he only won you by 1.

montilla's rebounding is 7. my center has 16 and pf has 25+. my opponent's other bigs do not have more than 14. so do not just try to explain something you have no idea about.

as i said, i did not expected to win. by the way, my offensive flow is much better than his, right? and so is my supposedly rebounds. whatever... i did not post this game to receive such useless responses.

Wow! I can take a defeate, but I can not take a defeat that shouldn't have been a defeat, if the matchsystem wouldn't have malfunctioned I would've won. The ratings were to my favour. At all aspects. And the guy who won had lost every single quarter until the last one, which he outscores me with 14 points.

So despite better ratings at both team ratings and player ratings, outscoring him in every quarter until the fourth and had better game shape on my guys then he had - I still didn't win...

I still can't believe it. And I'm usually not a sore loser, but now I am. Because my team should've won that game. Without a doubt.

Last edited by Jimmy911 at 3/13/2010 7:02:12 PM

it works both ways you know. i hate to see people posting unneccessary replies where they really shouldnt. i dont see his point, and noone needs to be reminded he is just lost. since you think "the information" on montilla is useful, i have to ask what it is.

i sensed that you find it very ordinary that a respectable point guard grabs so many rebounds while i have 25+,16,5,6,3 rebounders. the other team has something like that, 14,15,6,7,7. also i am not interested in personal stats here. saying " oh monttile is just great" because he grabbed those rebounds is plain disrespect to anyone who spends time to this forum. i gave the link to the game. has this guy even bothered to compare the rebounding ratings? have you? well, you might better look at my previous games, then you might get why i expected to outrebound my opponent by 20 and get outrebounded by a 7-rebound point guard. if you find it so normal, then you should be able to explain, why it was almost the first time this has happened at the most important game of the season. for gods sake, i outrebounded by a team that plays 3-2 when i am playing man to man and producing much better rebounding ratings.

as i said, whatever. i know noone can actually give me an appropriate answer here. things happens. i shouldnot shot this well anyway. just that, when there is no difference in attitude and enthusiasm, rebounding should have a more solid aspect of a team.

Last edited by left hand path at 3/14/2010 4:03:46 AM

if you find that game ordinary in terms of rebounding, then i have nothing to say to you. i cant argue with someone saying it is normal to lose a rebounding battle against 3-2 with man to man, also with way better rebounding skills.

That game is nothing unusual on rebounding. You won the battle on the boards, you're just not reading the statistics properly.

Ignoring free throws because I'm not going to watch the entire game to see how many of the misses were on 2nd attempts so I'll look at the total number of shots missed for each team. It looks as though you fouled him on a lot of shots, which don't lead to rebounds. Defensive rebounds are much easier to get than offensive rebounds. You had 18 more misses than he did (59 to 41). You got 4 more offensive rebounds than he did on almost 20 fewer chances, and he only had 2 TR more than you did over the course of the game with those 20 extra chances.

I can understand being frustrated over a loss, but this game shows nothing unusual. You lost on the road to a team that played better tactics than you did. You ran your players 48 minutes which means they'll likely be tired at some point in the game leading to a strong showing for the other team for a certain stretch of the game - often in the 3rd Q (which he won). Your team didn't defend well - your opponent shot almost 53% from the floor. These things are why you lost, not the rebounding. The rebounding was very normal for a game like this.

Last edited by dabomby at 3/14/2010 8:07:50 AM

That game is nothing unusual on rebounding. You won the battle on the boards, you're just not reading the statistics properly.

You had 18 more misses than he did (59 to 41). You got 4 more offensive rebounds than he did on almost 20 fewer chances, and he only had 2 TR more than you did over the course of the game with those 20 extra chances.

ok. you say i won the battle. but your perspective is very different than mine. to me, he had almost the same number of offensive boards with 20 fewer chances. this tells me that he should be at least as good as me at rebounding.

he got a couple of offensive boards on ft misses, i would love to shoot as much ft because ft and stamina were what i have been training for weeks. by the way, you could have pointed out how many players my opponent used.

anyone can find the reasons, if the aim is to justify the score. what i am asking is completely different. since i bought focardi, i had only one game like this, in which my opponent also played 3-2 but at least he produced the same rebounding rating as me.

i am not bitter because of the loss, but the way the game engine treated me. if you look at the last 10 seconds of the game, you will see "another" mistake. when you are behind by 2 and 5 seconds left on the clock, you are supposed to faul, right?

Last edited by left hand path at 3/14/2010 9:00:33 AM

ok. you say i won the battle. but your perspective is very different than mine. to me, he had almost the same number of offensive boards with 20 fewer chances. this tells me that he should be at least as good as me at rebounding.

Agreed. I'm trying to analyze the game to the best of my ability without knowing much about the teams. You seem to be trying to blame the GE for a loss to a team that appears to be superior to yours, albeit not much. As for the rebounding, you were on the road. Couple this with the random factor and the points I discussed in my previous post I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here. As for offensive rebounds, you say he got a couple on FT's. That means he got an offensive rebound on what, around 17% of his chances? You got an offensive rebound on nearly a quarter of your opportunities for one. Thats a significant statistical advantage, and shows again that your rebounding was superior during the game.

by the way, you could have pointed out how many players my opponent used.

Agreed, he didn't exactly use a lot of players either. But in my experience there's a huge difference in how tired a player will get between someone who plays 48 minutes and 45, or even 45 and 43 in some cases. You each had only 6 players participate, but his got significant minutes (23) where yours only got 2. Thats a big advantage when teams are evenly matched.

anyone can find the reasons, if the aim is to justify the score. what i am asking is completely different. since i bought focardi, i had only one game like this, in which my opponent also played 3-2 but at least he produced the same rebounding rating as me.

I'm sure anyone could find the reasons to justify the score. It's also possible to do the opposite. The only purpose of my posting was to try and help you understand the game based on what I have available to me - the boxscore. In this case I feel it's pretty obvious what happened. If you're asking for something else, I guess you'll have to find someone else who just wants to moan about the GE rather than someone who attempts to understand it. As far as the 3-2 being played, thats already taken into account in the rebounding ratings and shouldn't be looked at beyond that for the purposes of rebounding. As far as Focardi goes, this is a game of matchups. He won his rebounding matchup 27 to 7. Thats a pretty impressive victory for him, but he can't do it all on his own.

i am not bitter because of the loss, but the way the game engine treated me. if you look at the last 10 seconds of the game, you will see "another" mistake. when you are behind by 2 and 5 seconds left on the clock, you are supposed to faul, right?

Typically yes, but sometimes it's not possible to do so. You need to foul the ball carrier or you'll usually end up with a technical foul which doesn't give you possession. The other team may have gotten lucky passes off and your players weren't able to catch up to the ball. Possibly a player of yours saw a chance for a steal and went for it. So far as I'm aware it's impossible to say exactly what happened without having access to the code. That said, based on the ratings of this game your team shouldn't have been as close as they were. In my opinion you got lucky to have the opportunity to win at the end. Remember the game is 48 minutes long. Looking at 1/576th of a game isn't going to give you a very good representation of any aspect of that game, and it makes no sense to say you were screwed based off that small a portion of the game.

Anyway, thats my best attempt to help you. If you want to understand the game, you'll read it for what it is - an attempt to help.

Last edited by dabomby at 3/14/2010 9:56:21 AM