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Hi there,
Welcome to BB and i hope you are enjoying your first season here with us!

Fingal here, is not a bad looking English player. He's only 19, he has superstar potential (which is more than enough for him as an outside player) and has, with the exception of Inside Shot, some very good starting skill levels.

I would consider training him either as a SG or PG, rather than a SF, mainly because his IS is very low and to bring it up to the level of his other inside skills would take a long time. (Not to mention all of his inside skills would then need to be increased a few levels more after this).

Training as either a PG or SG would require many increases in outside defence and other relevant outside skills. I see he has had an increase already there in the last week before posting. Inside Shot for PGs or SGs isnt as important as many of the other skills, because on an offense they will generally drive/pass/jump shoot to give their team the best offensive opportunities to score. Even this will depend somewhat on the tactics you choose.

His high starting Inside Defence is a nice bonus and may increase slowly when you train his outside defence. Assuming you train his outside skills very well, in all but the top divisions you maybe be able to play him at SF and contain at the defensive end, but with a low IS he may struggle to contribute offensively, particularly if he faces an SF who can defend inside and outside.

I must say though, in your league and probably in Division 3 when you earn promotion, a player like this will grow with your team and lead the team as he is trained well.

i hope the advice / hints have been helpful.
if you would like to keep in touch or ask more questions about what i have posted, post me, or bbmail me back.
cheers

he does look nice. you should keep in touch with the aussie u21 guys to see what their advice is.
competition may be so tough that you have to focus on ID/REB/IS solidly until he is 21 years old and then after think about what training he needs to finish him off as either PF/C.

easiest route is probably C as secondaries are there to some extent. (Some C's dont have any!).

PF would one day need more OD,JS,JR. chuck in a passing pop and you might find HA and DR have crept up in the mean time.

definitely make sure he gets 1 position training and the 48+ mins a week :)

thats some good advice there some of which i have been implementing in a training schedule focusing on outside defence passing and jumpshot in that order. Playing him at point guard has really seen my offence fly high this season. I will decide not to train driving and handling at the present moment. Fingal had a very good game against Moomins , the 8th best team in britain , and was 5 from 8 at one point before missing about 10 in a row as the moomins defence strangled me out the game. Im glad i didnt sell him at the start of the season and took a gamble playing him in a different position. Thanks for your advice Fluff

Glad to hear it and not a problem.
I have found from personal experience of training outside players that i often choose training schedules each week that directly improve outside defence, jump shot and sometime jump range and passing. Handling and Driving tend to increase as you focus on these other skills.

If you want a certain mix of skills, or the player starts out weak in handling/driving it is possible that you would want to train these specifically, but i havent done so yet! If i did id wait until i get where i want to with JS.JR.OD and PA.

As far as training goes (and many other topics) there is some good material in the manual and as stickies in the forums for the interested reader.

One choice is whether you train one position (allowing 3 players to be properly trained) or two position (allowing 6 players to be properly trained).

There are many tradeoffs to doing either and many managers switch between them over time to suit their rosters and numbers of trainees etc. Indeed you may have noticed some training schedules cannot be done at just one position.

Hard luck against Moomins but it sounds like you brought the game to them!

Yeh , im doing one position training right now since he is my only decent trainee , perhaps after next years draft i will switch to 2 position training.

Yeh lol but when each one of there players is on 5+ times the salary my entire team is on then theres not really a chance is there

I got 3 nice trainees. I train them single position. At the moment I´m trying to boost their handling. This will hopefully make it easier to boost OD for the 3. guy. Any suggestions on them?

Weekly salary: $ 34 272
Role: regular starter
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DMI: 547700
Age: 22
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: tremendous Jump Range: prominent
Outside Def.: tremendous Handling: tremendous
Driving: prominent Passing: sensational
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: average Free Throw: average

Experience: inept


Weekly salary: $ 10 272
Role: regular starter
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 52000
Age: 20
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: prolific Handling: prominent
Driving: prominent Passing: prominent
Inside Shot: awful Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: pitiful

Experience: pitiful


Weekly salary: $ 4 285
Role: backup
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 13800
Age: 18
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: atrocious
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: atrocious

Experience: pitiful

Last edited by karagunis at 5/29/2011 5:43:36 PM

i wouldnt worry about handling on no.3 for now - give him his training in your scrimmage games and if you dont want him to be a liability focus on his OD straight away.

i would suggest working out what you want your no.1 trainee to look like. A PG, SG or combination of the two? Only you know which would suit your team and the way you like them to play. Once he is done you can tackle the needs of your 2nd trainee and then the 3rd. I would have thought whatever you do to 1 and 2 would make 3 look great by the age of 21.

Whatever your target is for no. 1, OD up to 16 or 17 would be a good idea and this suits trainees 2 and 3.

if you train 1 at some point to improve his JR and JS this would suit no.2 who's JR is a relative weakness (even if you had planned to make 2 a PG)

If you end up doing lots of od,js,jr and pass training you might find HA on no. 3 looks more acceptable and with no need to specifically train it.

you should plan ahead when you will do any of the 2 position training like jump shot for guards as you would get the most use out of it if you could fill the other 3 slots with young players needing JS

good luck with your trainees they look very promising

i wouldnt worry about handling on no.3 for now - give him his training in your scrimmage games and if you dont want him to be a liability focus on his OD straight away.

The U21 scout told me to train handling, so OD would pop easier because of the elastic effect. I have at least one game per Week which I can´t win or can´t lose, so I don´t really need to train od right away, because he won´t be a weakness.

i would suggest working out what you want your no.1 trainee to look like. A PG, SG or combination of the two? Only you know which would suit your team and the way you like them to play. Once he is done you can tackle the needs of your 2nd trainee and then the 3rd. I would have thought whatever you do to 1 and 2 would make 3 look great by the age of 21.

Well, I want both of them to be comboguards. No. 1. a bit more SG, No. 2. more PG.

Whatever your target is for no. 1, OD up to 16 or 17 would be a good idea and this suits trainees 2 and 3.

I think I will most likely do this in this and next season!

if you train 1 at some point to improve his JR and JS this would suit no.2 who's JR is a relative weakness (even if you had planned to make 2 a PG)

Correct, this is something I´ll have to work on!

If you end up doing lots of od,js,jr and pass training you might find HA on no. 3 looks more acceptable and with no need to specifically train it.

I´ll only train it because of the elastic effect. I don´t think that handling is needed to be trained when it is on a similar level as the other skills, too. But when it´s this low, it might slow down the OD training

you should plan ahead when you will do any of the 2 position training like jump shot for guards as you would get the most use out of it if you could fill the other 3 slots with young players needing JS

Yeah I will. But I don´t think I´ll need to train 2 Pos. this season (ex. ASW), because I´m nearly save from depromotion this season.

good luck with your trainees they look very promising

Thanks for the good input!!

Here's my main trainee that i want to turn into an outstanding American NT player.



Ed Shepherd (19239345) Shooting Guard
Weekly salary: $ 6 169
Role: regular starter
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DMI: 21900
Age: 18
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: strong ↑ Handling: average
Driving: strong Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: inept Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious

Hes a great player and if trained right could definitely make the NT teams. What level trainer do you have? Also, are you in contact with someone from the US NT?

1st trainee: 2 OD pops, 1 DR pop, 1 JS pop

Weekly salary: $ 4 283
Role: rotation player
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 17700
Age: 19
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: strong ↑ Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: awful Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious

2nd trainee: 1 OD pop

Weekly salary: $ 4 384
Role: regular starter
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 23900
Age: 19
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: average Handling: mediocre
Driving: mediocre Passing: average
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: average

Experience: pitiful

Last edited by jan_the_man at 5/30/2011 1:57:33 AM