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From: KwaiWah

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Date: 5/8/2010 12:31:19 PM
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Back from moving house and fixing my connection, time to take a short time out to think up the objectives for this season.

Rich, that would be disputable. Take a look at the Team Transfers and compare the results, I think the Stuporsonics are pretty high up there in terms of total net transfers.

I think I can safely say the top teams are NOT earning 300k in merchandising, not even close. They are running on a negative budget, covered only by their training programs. It's okay to leak a couple hundred thousand if you make up for it with a 3-4 million transfer at the end of the season.


The proposed strategy of having negative income every week and funding it through transfers every season is a possible strategy but will only be possible for non-top teams. Because they cannot afford to be fielding backups as starters in their league games. So at most they can train 1 player (During scrimmage), which at best will usually gain about $2M per player per season training.

Another way to check is as per your proposal to check team transfers. If they were sustaining their teams with the profits they make from the market, their nett transfers should be positive. So I went again to check the same 4 teams on nett transfers since 1 season ago (1st Feb 2010) and even 2 seasons ago (1st Nov2009)

Team Name.............1 Season (# of transfers)..........2 Seasons (# of transfers)
ESV Laim...................-$5,288,400 (4 transfers)........-$15,786,500 (13 transfers)
Sharman Globetrotters..-$2,614,729 (23 transfers).......-$1,101,758 (43 transfers)
BC Törööö.................-$3,852,400 (8 transfers)........-$8,395,100 (15 transfers)
Ampang Stuporsonics....-$4,161,600 (1 transfer).........-$4,150,600 (4 transfers)

Based on the information above, it is obvious that:
1. None of the teams are making any profit from their training programs
2. Sharman Globetrotters makes a lot of transfers (about 20/season) but the negative nett transfers will mean that he uses the money to buy better players and not to fund his negative balance sheet

It is also interesting to note that all 4 teams need to be having positive income in order to be able to buy these players.
On average all 4 teams need to make $4M/season in order to be able to fund for these players.
Since 1 season has 14 weeks, this will mean they will have a nett income of min $285K per week.
From the previous table I posted the losses from arena vs player salary was about -$300K.
So, in order to have a nett income of $285K/week, the merchandise will most likely be $585K/week.

This or their TV contract is a lot higher than our $146K.

Either way, total income from TV Contract and Merchandise need to be more than $725K for them to be able to bid $4M on players every season with their current player salary and arena income.

From: Sparkle

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Actually, I brought up the total transfers on an MBBA comparison. For example, the Stuporsonics have spent a net amount of -17M when all transfers are counted. Ginakia, however, even with his later 4M acquisition, stands at only -12M net.

Here are some facts to help understand financial life at the top.

Merchandising. The top teams are earning an average of 100-150k per week on merchandising. Their rosters are built with the objective of strength, and not home grown players. The highest merchandising revenue in the game I would think is around 240k per week which belongs to a Finnish team with 3 NT players and an entire roster of Finnish players.

League TV contract. Again, on average, they are earning 150-200k per week. Germany, with the highest number of superpowers, leads the way with 199k.


It's becoming a little like Hattrick, to go for the gold you need to run on a non-sustainable negative budget. In the past, there was no reason for the Stuporsonics to invest too much into team strength. Just enough to the point where I would think it will give me an advantage in the MBBA, balancing performance and profits. But now that Ginakia has upped the ante, investment has to be made or a disadvantage on court will follow. I have been a big advocate on the BB discussions in the past on the effect money has in swinging major games and speculated if big teams can survive or even succeed with a sustainable economy. As things stand, I might continue to work with my self imposed salary cap to see how far it'll bring me.

From: -CS

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Date: 5/9/2010 7:52:02 PM
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ok mind to make a conclusion?

Stuporsonics Typical Weekly Net Income is ---> ?
NOT Typical Weekly Net Income is ---> ?

From: YxQy

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Date: 5/10/2010 8:03:57 AM
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thanks a lot for all the research and explanation kwaiwah =D

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wa lau.. I dunno why so swei... mebbe face problem... 1 by 1 my stars getting injured... -__-

main centre has been out for almost a month... then now the PF pulak out of action for 2 weeks... jus after my trainee recovered....

how to manage minutes weiii! :(((

From: TooCool
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Date: 7/1/2010 9:42:31 PM
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Ha.... i hv just realized that my player, Kobi Slupsky scooped up the MVP for season 12....
black player from Israel summore... where to find ah.... hehehe...

From: KwaiWah

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Congrats to you on your player being voted MVP of Season 12. Is this the first time the MVP of the season did not play in the league Finals?

From: Sparkle

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I certainly think it is. This'll make good trivia in about 5 seasons time!

From: TooCool

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Congrats to you on your player being voted MVP of Season 12. Is this the first time the MVP of the season did not play in the league Finals?

ya... too bad that my team lost narrowly to the eventual champions NOT by 2 points in the playoffs, and did not have home advantage summore...

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Date: 7/2/2010 7:43:05 AM
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Season 12 was a very gd season for me. Though with lotsa luck. My first conference final. Though I haf to admit.... the only reason i got so far was becoz of :
1) Spaz's player Game Shape.
2) TAT and Red decide not to challenge after All-Star Break but rather lower rank thus ensuring better Draft Pick.

Now.... coming into the new season.... and after a quick peek at the conference this season, I can summarize my conference strength into 2 tier :
Top Tier : Ginakia and Ampang
Second Tier : The rest of the teams

Yeah i rank the 6 remaining team in Great 8 as evenly strong. One small tactical mistake or injury to our star player would be very damaging. Anyhow.... this season seems to b the most competitive yet!!! May the best team WIN

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Date: 7/2/2010 9:01:53 AM
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just wanted to drop by and say hi to all...
it looks like my chances in malaysia cup is about to run out.... facing reddevils in first match.... :-(
and....if u guyz dont mind....help me answer these questions plz....
1) anyone can explain to me y my PF salary increase a lot this season ??.....
2) whats the best skills to train PG and SF??
3) how to know whether your drafts players are the ones that u placed in the draft list ??
thats all....


BTW...... how about changing this thred title to 'MBBA Discussion Season 13'

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