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140518.83 in reply to 140518.82
Date: 5/2/2010 10:28:43 PM
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I admire your persistence but there are bigger concerns on the transfer list right now.

What do you do about nations that see a rival NT player on the list and then conspire to make sure that someone in their country buys him and then over/under plays him so that his GS drops?

What do you do about departing teams that legitimately buy a player before they leave so that they can assist their NT?

I've said my part here there are many reasons (within the rules) and I am satisfied that the perennial sellers that you feel list above market rates with the clear intention to fleece a noob have appropriate action taken on them. (by the policing of the transfer list by players such as you and I).

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Date: 5/4/2010 8:59:30 AM
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If there were no cheaters in this game we would not need to report anything. There were a lot of cheaters in Estonia for example. Now that we have got rid of most of the multimanagers and money transferers, it's time to move on to click fishers and overpricers. It would help to lessen GM work considerably.


But your suggestion doesn’t solve this problem at all.
Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I admire persistency even if you read too many arguments against your suggestion (included opinions of top managers like SuperflyGuy or CrazyEye). But unfortunately I have to say you are not able to listen in arguments of the others. There is hardly any argument you have accepted.

It's all about you don't want to see overpriced players. But the system is not designed like that and I think BBs don't matter it. Maybe next you will come with canceling of starting price and putting all players at $1 and market makes the prices (then there were no overpriced players without bid, except these whose are not work even $1).

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Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.
I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.

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Date: 5/4/2010 10:57:03 AM
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Like many of the "arguments" here this has nothing to do with my suggestion, it would be actually nice if you would understand what I am proposing here. You are talking about blatant cheating and money transfer between teams.


Not me, but you. I was only reacting on your message. So than I don't understand why you put this sentence to this forum if it's not your argument.

I think I have made my case here. It's all up to BB's to decide. Only they have the info to back my suggestion up or to discard it.


But maybe you should rename your suggestion. Because your original requirement sound for me "I don't want to see overpriced players at TL." And this is the issue, whether BB-staff agree or disagree with it. And if they agree there are different ways how to achieve this. Even if I hope they disagree.

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Date: 5/4/2010 2:49:53 PM
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I'm going to explain this to you again...
Even if this two teams put the player on TL for right price (f.e. 1M), they can arrange transfer for much higher price (f.e. 5M) as overpriced.

I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.
So please do not try to change my suggestion into something that it is not. My suggestion is concentrated on these high listers only. Catching money transfer multimanagers and band of money transfer managers is a whole other matter and they have a pattern you can monitor and convict on. If you want you can create your own suggestion for their taxation or whatever.
If you still did not understand what this suggestion is about then drop me a bb-mail.

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Date: 5/4/2010 3:10:09 PM
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I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.


Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...

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Date: 5/4/2010 3:12:22 PM
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I am talking about teams that list their player high. These players look for one bid. Usually their players do not get sold, but they keep them listed constantly. They would not win anything if they list at correct price and let their friend bid it up -> why? because if noone else bids on that player his friend just loses money and the point of getting the player price high get's lost.


Im following this conversation and still think that tax for not-sold player isnt a good idea. However sounds reasonable to me if there would be aditional disadvantage for "constant listers". Something like if player is putted on TL more than 3 times in a month, his GS will drop down.

The main reason why not aditional financial penalty is for me still the same - managers which develop unusual players would be penalised just because they are waiting for someone who understand an demand for unusual skills. The ones who could understand that, are not only beyond these, which are tracking TL all day long...


or he los 5% of his home game income ;) This strategy isn't for free today.

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140518.90 in reply to 140518.89
Date: 5/4/2010 3:27:07 PM
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I know, thats why I understand current penalty as a way too much... even rationally - why should be fans upset by listing of any player, while they know that he wasnt sold? And player itself doesnt give a ... about it.

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140518.91 in reply to 140518.88
Date: 5/5/2010 7:12:26 AM
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Those team are penalized by worse fan survey i.e. a bit worse income. Only one LA fails to see that and wants their blood.

From: rwystyrk

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Date: 5/5/2010 8:15:17 AM
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Please, no other explanation needed as you totally didn't understand my last message and mixed two separated things together.
I would rather drop this thread out of the forum or drop some user out of this game than dropping anything into your mail :-D

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Date: 5/5/2010 8:42:07 AM
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Perhaps you should drop into an english lesson. I can see from your press release that you have skipped some :D

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