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Shortly after this I was talking with the other manager whom was present and he said this to me:

00:50 <jstout> I know that a lot of the better coaches talk about builds and types of players without really ever explaining what those builds really look like.




With that in mind, are we not clearly explaining things (communicating) to the managers that are newer or new to the U21/NT scene? How will the remaining candidates address issues such as this? This is a manager that has been around on the off-site since S26.

It's not disfunction on the offsite, it's me not being thrilled with how you handled the start of this debate trashing someone who already admitting he screwed up, and then bashing it home over and over again.

I got the gist of tough winning this already. My motivation for the offsite conversation between me and you was i figured you to run here with it, which is what you did. Thankfully, you did not disappoint me.

It's not disfunction on the offsite

FurySk... this has been going on for over 15 seasons... and yet it's not dysfunction?

Am I the only manager that feels this way?

Did I "trash" Phyr 15 seasons ago?

wish granted

And GM-Jason....


GM....


I find your personal attack campaign to be the most insulting, and most allegorical depiction of the off-site's dysfunction there is.

This was the most un-professional display I have seen in over 40 months of partaking in Buzzerbeater off and on. I doubt you'll be ashamed of yourself... But I'll be ashamed for you.

Fewmit


Point #2 has happened.

I am a man of my word. Team's going bot.

sorry that you felt the need to quit the game, all I ever wanted was for this to be a Discussion on how to improve the team going forward. hope we can have that now without the agendas.

sorry that you felt the need to quit the game, all I ever wanted was for this to be a Discussion on how to improve the team going forward. hope we can have that now without the agendas.

Says the guy who's sole agenda was to discredit me...

It's not disfunction on the offsite, it's me not being thrilled with how you handled the start of this debate trashing someone who already admitting he screwed up, and then bashing it home over and over again.

I got the gist of tough winning this already. My motivation for the offsite conversation between me and you was i figured you to run here with it, which is what you did. Thankfully, you did not disappoint me.

WOW..... that looks like an agenda right there...

Yes, please do get back to discussions of how to improve the team now that there are NO AGENDAS

Last edited by EightPackKilla at 2/17/2016 6:10:23 AM

But the criticizing basing U21 on inside builds is just insane. It ignores blant truths about how buzzerbeater works. Those cute 12/12/12/12 builds with ok guards skills don't really work when Italy and other U21 giants can putting guys up 17-18+ IS/ID. Please look at Italy and tell how how they designed their Gold Medal winning team this year. They did it by putting high amounts of IS and ID on the either bigs. Show me one gold medal winning team that based their team around something other than inside. To say that we havent been successful using inside is revisionist history. If it wasn't for a shitty manager (me), we would have had a gold medal at Americas last season running inside as our main offense and a nice run at Worlds. Instead we secured HCA at Americas, guess what using inside offense.

Its interesting you bring up last season(I.E s32) and running an inside offense. the games for s32 season:
Patient
Princeton
Outside Iso
Inside Iso
Low Post
Low Post
Look Inside
Base Offense
Base Offense
Look Inside
Base Offense
Forefeit

Not overly Inside, but evident we have heavier inside.

So i went ahead and compiled the Bigs from s32, well the main 3, Rooney, Helms and Hendrickson

Rooney and Helms being traditonal u21 IS IS bigs and Hendrickson being as you state it... a cute build.

Your all free to browse, i compiled all starts and then normalized them down to 7 games, including Helms best performance.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xqctm48PII6zV1HFph...
For those who dont want to look,
All Games:
Games Minutes FG 3PFG FT plus-minus OR TR AST TO STL BLK PF PTS Ranking(AVG)
Helms 10 326 47/91 4/12 18/30 377 38 136 20 14 6 20 13 116 14.6
Rooney 9 244 43/84 0/6 33/35 296 23 100 12 8 8 9 22 119 11.5
Hendric 7 193 35/65 2/3 10/12 136 22 94 17 7 1 20 11 86 16.4

Equalized Minutes, Games

Games Minutes FG 3PFG FT plus-minus OR TR AST TO STL BLK PF PTS Ranking(AVG)
Helms 7 189 42/60 2/7 11/18 201 18 73 15 11 2 12 7 77 15
Rooney 7 191 38/68 0/6 27/28 239 21 84 12 5 6 9 22 103 13.3
Hendric 7 193 35/65 2/3 10/12 136 22 94 17 7 1 20 11 86 16.4


It seems the numbers dont lie, albeit you mostly played inside offenses with Hendrickson and played Patient and Princeton with Helms/Rooney, also the only "decent u21" teams ewe played there came during Hendricksons turn.

Id also like to point out, Hendrickson had GS issues the entire u21 season, never getting past 8. And these were the builds according to your own pipeline document
Robbie Hendrickson 34286071 C 21 8 8 792 5 3 1 6 10 8 12 14 13 15 5 4 33 54 87

Robert Rooney 34284980 C 21 8 8 356 4 7 8 7 5 4 16 14 13 8 2 9 35 51 86

Victor Helms 34286184 C 21 8 7 356 4 8 6 6 6 5 14 15 15 9 2 5 35 53 88

I never had any issues with you phyr, I was not personally attacking you nor do I feel you had an overly bad tenor as manager of the u21. We had a disagreement about player builds this past season, but in that disagreement i was the first person to comment on the downside to him(his GS). My only point I'am trying to get across to the people of the USA and u21 and BB in general that there are better ways to train players for peoples TEAMS and u21 so that they dont cripple the d.4 team financially so they have to sell and start over but are still productive players for u21 and potentially still make NT builds.
We can build players for the u21 and NT at the same time, you guys just refuse to see it.

IS ID REB is not the end all be all and if it is, this game is broken and theres now reason to play. Any game that offers only one end game winning build would be a flawed and broken game, and I dont think that is the way BB is. Just do that math people.

Last edited by tetrahydroc at 2/17/2016 10:12:03 AM