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ok. you say i won the battle. but your perspective is very different than mine. to me, he had almost the same number of offensive boards with 20 fewer chances. this tells me that he should be at least as good as me at rebounding.

Agreed. I'm trying to analyze the game to the best of my ability without knowing much about the teams. You seem to be trying to blame the GE for a loss to a team that appears to be superior to yours, albeit not much. As for the rebounding, you were on the road. Couple this with the random factor and the points I discussed in my previous post I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here. As for offensive rebounds, you say he got a couple on FT's. That means he got an offensive rebound on what, around 17% of his chances? You got an offensive rebound on nearly a quarter of your opportunities for one. Thats a significant statistical advantage, and shows again that your rebounding was superior during the game.

by the way, you could have pointed out how many players my opponent used.

Agreed, he didn't exactly use a lot of players either. But in my experience there's a huge difference in how tired a player will get between someone who plays 48 minutes and 45, or even 45 and 43 in some cases. You each had only 6 players participate, but his got significant minutes (23) where yours only got 2. Thats a big advantage when teams are evenly matched.

anyone can find the reasons, if the aim is to justify the score. what i am asking is completely different. since i bought focardi, i had only one game like this, in which my opponent also played 3-2 but at least he produced the same rebounding rating as me.

I'm sure anyone could find the reasons to justify the score. It's also possible to do the opposite. The only purpose of my posting was to try and help you understand the game based on what I have available to me - the boxscore. In this case I feel it's pretty obvious what happened. If you're asking for something else, I guess you'll have to find someone else who just wants to moan about the GE rather than someone who attempts to understand it. As far as the 3-2 being played, thats already taken into account in the rebounding ratings and shouldn't be looked at beyond that for the purposes of rebounding. As far as Focardi goes, this is a game of matchups. He won his rebounding matchup 27 to 7. Thats a pretty impressive victory for him, but he can't do it all on his own.

i am not bitter because of the loss, but the way the game engine treated me. if you look at the last 10 seconds of the game, you will see "another" mistake. when you are behind by 2 and 5 seconds left on the clock, you are supposed to faul, right?

Typically yes, but sometimes it's not possible to do so. You need to foul the ball carrier or you'll usually end up with a technical foul which doesn't give you possession. The other team may have gotten lucky passes off and your players weren't able to catch up to the ball. Possibly a player of yours saw a chance for a steal and went for it. So far as I'm aware it's impossible to say exactly what happened without having access to the code. That said, based on the ratings of this game your team shouldn't have been as close as they were. In my opinion you got lucky to have the opportunity to win at the end. Remember the game is 48 minutes long. Looking at 1/576th of a game isn't going to give you a very good representation of any aspect of that game, and it makes no sense to say you were screwed based off that small a portion of the game.

Anyway, thats my best attempt to help you. If you want to understand the game, you'll read it for what it is - an attempt to help.

Last edited by dabomby at 3/14/2010 9:56:21 AM

I just posted that because it seemed important to be and now im not going to be arrogant:

You are the tipical manager who gives a lot of importance to the ratings and thats the tipical mistake from a new manager, if you wanna really know what was wrong in your game, wake up and dont look on your rebound rating.

As Fotocopiator said, his outside mans took lot of rebounds. The fact is that with the new game engine it bonus a lot the outside mans rebound, if you have a bad secundary skills on your outside mans, it can happen that a player like Montilla with decent rebounds takes you 10 rebouns. Apart from that your C-PF took a lot of rebounds, its just ok because they are better rebounders than his C-PF so there i see it normal. Taking 26 is just a huge number of rebounds.

Also i dont know how you complain about rebounds, when you put a SF who is taking an average of 2,5 rebounds/game, im sure he has rebounds 4 or lower and we all know how important is the rebound skill on a small forward.

I will continue telling you truths:

Your OD is just awfull. Your PG is and 8 on OD and your SG is an 9 on OD, so if you are not trying to kidding me, i would say you that theres no way you can defend his attack and im sure your SF does not have also a great OD.
So my question is how you wanna win that game with such a bad outside defense? Maybe if the game engine is wrong you got a little chance to win it.

So i think your team is some kind of Globetrotters, decent attack, but 0 defense and im saying this with no hurt, just to try to help you, maybe the next important game of the next season you would care about defenses. Any manager in Spain knows how important are outside defenses in this kind of games, so yes you have a really big problem there which made you lose the game aditional to the other problem that your outside players havent secundary skills.


To conclude, next time you make a complaint and others managers try to help you, dont be so arrogant with them. Try to see that match as if you arent the manager of that team and try to see what failed there. If i dindt post more things about how bad was your OD is just because it seemed to me so obvious.

Marot.

Last edited by Marot at 3/14/2010 11:08:50 AM

u got a lot of rebounds dude... see, your opponent only took 87 shots compared to your 106. of this 87 shots 46(!) went in. u have 23 teamfouls compared to his 9. you gave him 25 freethrows compared to your 3... your problem was not the rebounding. u had no idea how to stop his offence. the matchup show you lost every singele position by points per 100 shots. your defense was the problem.

just like your first post, this one is pretty much ignoring the things i am trying to say here. i know my team, its strengths and weaknesses. you are the 345th guy who tells me my outside defense sucks. the thing is i am aware of it and i am not making a case out of it. i might agree that i might not get the chance to win to some degree, then again you are absolutely ignoring some other points.

my sf forward has 5 rebounding and 300k dmi. on the other hand his defensive matchup montilla has 7 rebounding with 350k dmi. so you say that difference at pg position is really big?

i am not arrogant or anything like it. not even close. i just cant stand people trying to simplify things by saying something like "montilla is just a great rebounder.". is he really, at 7 rebounding with average form playing at pg, averaging 6 rebounds at 37 minutes for season? you really think i am that stupid to argue about something so obvious? now tell me if you looked at his season stats before posting your previous post, and i will be glad to understand your point.

Last edited by left hand path at 3/14/2010 12:47:17 PM

Rebounding is not the most important point of your game.

The biggest point about your lose is your weak outside-defense comparing to his better outside defense and his zone 3-2 also helped him a bit even if his PG was out of shape which helped you to score(even without looking live)

And yes i know what kind of player is Montilla since im the spanish national coach, but i dont give lot of importance on the player stadistics since every match is different.

I dont know what you expect from the rebounds, when his center seems to be his best rebounder im sure he is really close to your rebound center skill. As all people said you here the rebound was ok, your PF took 26 rebounds which is a really huge number of rebounds, what you expected, taking 35 rebounds?

A level 5 on rebound on a SF is just a really low level on rebounds and he is playing on SF position, Montilla was playing on PG position, do you know how rebounds system works or i should tell you too?

PD: If you accept that your OD just sucks, then dont make a complain saying you lost about weird rebounds distribuation when the main point of losing your game is your OD and im still surprised you just lost by 2.

And yes, you are quite arrogant with people here.

actually if you look at my first post here, i am just asking about the rebounding system. my pf in this game, focardi is better handler and my main idea of putting him as pf was to cut turnovers and have a better offensive flow. i gave him the role of center defensively which i do not think he played at least for rebounding. i am 90% sure my opponent's center would not be able to grab more than 10 reobunds had he been the center as rebounder. the question is; a defensive center is also the center rebounder or not?

my outside defense and the result of this game are in no correlation to this argument. i cant get why you are trying to bring them to the table.

(9306)

I am honest i didn't loose that game and cheered for the winning team, but it's a game i don't understand. Personally i know that the ratings are a bit off, but attacking with an inside attack around 15 against an id 8 with much more effort and having just one player with a good match up(ok this kid has an extreme good matchup Rating, but the second best player has just 80!) rating is very cuorius for me.

Remember the thread ''Outside attack too strong?''...