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I understand that if 2º is only available for supporter, non supporter could feel like playing a demo. But, why supporters have to pay?? Better if non supporter pay 10$ (not all pack of supporter, only 2º team) and supporters dont have to pay, right? It's more accessible for all in my opinion and more fair

PS: I've paid 10$ for supporter with Draftstreet and I expected that supporters don't paid at all and I could play with 2º team. Now, I'm not going to pay that price for something that, in my opinion, must be included on supporter pack. And maybe, if they were included on it, I would pay 40$ for all package. But now, they just lost 10$ this year and 40$ next one.

Why do you have to pay for a belt when you buy a pair of pants?

The option to have a 2nd team in "Utopia" and the supporter package are two different products.

Could they have made the 2nd team part of the support package? Sure. But that would mean the 2nd team would bring in less money to help develop BuzzerBeater. It also would mean that every supporter would likely have a second team, even those who may not be all that interested and would largely ignore their second team. Now only people generally interested in a second team are likely to have one, since everyone has to pay $10 for the second team.

As a supporter who may or may not decide to have a second team, I have no issue with supporters having to pay for a second team and actually appreciate it being a separate product.

Well, prieto mentioned a very valid point. Being supporter means paying for: Buzzerbeater employs a full time development team ... .
Now this development team, which I´m already paying for, is busy working on the Utopia thing, which I then cannot use without paying again.
For me those are not different products, and having to pay for the 2nd team as a supporter wasn´t mentioned before.

Hi, I'll try to formulate a concise answer.
1. It's an option. When we planned the feature we thought it would be better for it to have it's own players. Don't remember if there was a particular reason why. It's definitely easier that way (than modifying draft and team player creation code).

2. As some guys already pointed out, it's not about money, although we appreciate the extra income. We want the Utopia country to be the most competitive place in BB. Giving free teams to all Supporters would counter that. Also, Supporters get the Supporter package on their second team for free, for the duration of the package.

3. If there are more than 1024, we will downgrade everyone to level V.

4. Working on it right now, so, worst case scenario, in a matter of days.

5. You can always buy the 3 month Supporter packages to get them as close as possible. Your suggestion is practically impossible, sorry.

6. Why wouldn't you buy those old players with your primary team? The rule is there to make sure no foul play between the two teams is ever even suspected, and for that it needs to be rigorous.

Hope that helps!

It better have a cool flag and I don't mean one that has automatic weapons on it like the Mozambique.

Something like Albania with the Eagles fighting each other would be cool.

2. As some guys already pointed out, it's not about money, although we appreciate the extra income. We want the Utopia country to be the most competitive place in BB. Giving free teams to all Supporters would counter that. Also, Supporters get the Supporter package on their second team for free, for the duration of the package.

So, i can think bad in that manner:

BB's appreciate extra income so they plan this strategy.

-Launch a poll asking if supporters can have 2nd team
-with poll open, and no decision taken, they publicized the "supporter for 10$ promotion" (it will become 10SP from now) with draftstreet, so they can have more income and can use the "2nd team effect (2TE)" to increase supporters.
-still with poll open, nearly two weeks before the end of 10SP, Marin take decision to have 2nd team. Not yet speaking about money. So another 10SP new supporters boost.
-10SP ends on 28th february, friday. +24/48h to have new supporters. Sunday. Monday as first business/working day to close all and then, magically, after all supporter promotion---> 2nd team rules posted and it costs 10$ per year.

Coincidence?

At least, in economic way, BB's optimize income.
But, as supporter, i think i'm not so important for the game, because i've to pay the same of every user, despite everyone of the BB's is continuing to thanks my for my "support" and he's remembering me, in every sentence, that i'm an elite.
But in a lot of sentence, the word "elite" is inflated, because elite are also (or more, because their elite status with 10$ is the same of mine with 40$) the teams which play in Supporterland.

Dear BB's and other staff member, i will continue to play to the game, but, as user, as people and as supporter,

I feel cheated

Loved the new feature and will play it anyway but I think closed market would be a lot more on the best manager against the best manager aspect of Utopia.

New market means making the best out of the initial roster, planning the future of the franchise, developing players becoming a crucial part of sucess on the early seasons. For me those are the aspects that tell who are the best managers among all.

Old market means a lot of managers buying old players and going all-in towards divison I. Period. They can think about the future after being one of the 16 first division I, with advantage in revenue against the rest.

For me Utopia can be a lot more than just assembling cheaper old players with some good skills. It can be cut-throat competition since the very first week, where every single skill improved in training could be decisive on the future of the franchise.

- Edit -

And I forgot mentioning the draft. In a market with only one country players will give the draft a whole other meaning. Just like the NBA, drafting the right players will also become crucial to a franchise future. Nowadays in the low tier divisions, in my opinion, it's way more cheaper going into the market for new players than spending a lot of money on draft points. But in a closed market making the best decision with less draft points is a factor that I would say it's important in deciding who's the best manager in BB.

Last edited by Rafa Silva at 3/5/2014 2:42:54 PM

"Another possible problem would be that the price of buying advanced trainers would at least double. "

For me that would be the beauty in Utopia. The same game, the same engine, the same features but under completely different circumstances. Everybody would be out of their comfort zones and the ability to apply everything we learned playing BB so far into a new environment is what going to say who's the best manager.

There is a lot of luck involved Rafa.

If you end up with an old starting roster, you are going to have to buy trainees. However, you will not have money to buy trainees.

Basically, it will come down to who got the best lot of 18 year old when the team was created.

I'm feeling that if anything day-trading and massive inflow's of cash derived from making a quick buck should be monitored more closely in Utopia.

However, I don't think it makes much sense to force every team to just pump money into the arena because there is simply no value on the market.

Perhaps some trading rules should be enacted for the first few seasons. Such as the player must play on the team 10 weeks before he can be sold. This will make the market harder to cash out on. But not eliminate the idea of buying players.