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Dorchain we will leave for the others.
Ballaert....we will take care of. (if you all don't drive up the price)

And so : justice will be done

Last edited by ppmmp at 5/30/2011 4:19:38 PM

Loddo is back in Belgium, that's a good news :D

And if you are interested by NT Belgian players, Charles Dorchain is now on the TL and Steven Ballaert should be on sale soon because his manager is not connected since 16/04/2011. Two nice opportunities :)

i'm surprized that he went for that price...

Tho, i though that Liege was going to take care of Dorchain... I somehow dought that they'll have the cash to acquire both players, which leaves me a bitt with a problem. Dorchain has been a starter for a long time for the NT, and probably will remain a starter for a rather long time too.

Liege has now a salary mass of 424k, but with a stadium income of near 540k a week, i don't see them add Dorchain to their team, which makes me wonder who will take him in... All i can hope for is that he'll end up somewhere where they'll take care of his GS (in a place NOT like Ysenbrandt...)

i know Dorchains Salary isn't the easiest thing to manage, but that goes for all NT C's... Yet, Abu, De Neef, Lahure all seem to be doing pretty well both GS wise and salary wise...

LA-Revo

I thnik the biggest problem of Dorchain is that his trainer has failed utterly to make him into a good C.

He lacks blocking, which is realy anoying. If you are willing to pay such a price weekly, you at least want decent skills along with it, and except for 3 inside skills which are very good, he fails at about all other skills. OD is too high, driv and handling are too low, block is limpnig far behind,... too much downsides on this center.

I am even amazed he is selected for the NT. I would play a quadrupple 14 C any time before selecting dorchain with his double 16 and a 17, but a 9 on block.
Especially if the other skills on the quadruple 14 C are a bit more balanced as well.

But okay, that's my opinion ofcourse.

we all know how you love SB. and believe me, i really do like SB. I have asked all NT C managers ( ask Stonestars to confirm it) to train SB.

But quadruple 14's just don't cut it anymore. My goal is to keep improving the belgian NT, hoping that, one day, the Belgian NT will make the world cup stage (don't need to win it. just need to take part in it)...

For now, belgian NT has:

*) quallified twice for the european championship, in which it has ended once 3rd and once 5th.
*) Because of it's 3rd position, the Belgian Nt has made it to the repechage, but was unlucky their in the way things turned out...
*) never made it to the second round of the KO stages of the consolation round...

So their is still alot of work to be done.
quadruple 14 won't cut it against top 50 nations. It could be used as a back up, if you can't get any better, but Quadruple 14's just don't cut it anymore. you need atleast quadruple 15, if not better.

You need atleast quadruple 15 (with a salary of 180k , without factoring secundairies) to go up against C's of top nations...
And nowadays, most teams play with C's who have a high JS/JR combo at the PF or C position. So to stop them, you need OD on your centre...

And unfortunately, we don't have any farm teams, as other nations often do have... So i got 2 options. Either ask a manager to keep training his C, without thinking about his economy -- please note, doing so will destroy the owners economy, because his C will outgrow his economy very fast-- or, i can make suggestions how to train, informing them about the economical effects that it has ( which i have done for each and every player that we got).

As NT manager, i need to get the best possible players for belgium. However, that doesn't mean that i have to ask people, to train their C beyond the abilities of their economy, and thus destroy their economy, which will eventually lead to the destruction of the team. That isn't what a NT manager should do.

So i ask as much as possible (keeping the economy of a team in the back of my mind when asking for extra lvls), select the best C's that we have, and try to get the best possible results with them. you know as well as anyone else, that a salary of 300k or more on just one player, is very hard to manage, even in the BBBL. Top BBBL teams can have up to 750/800k while staying even. Any more salary than that, and you'll be in the negative each week. So Dorchain is more or less the maximum ammount of salary that is managable for a BBBL team (atleast, it is at this current moment). Thus, i'm trying to get the SB of every C above lvl 10, but even that is a very hard thing... Each time, i try to improve the players comming from the U21 into C's that are better than the ones currently in the NT.

Next week, Ballaert will be on the TL ( might as well say it, since everyone here knows it already). He's a C with very nice lvls in all 4 C skills. Whoever ends up with him, HAS to continue his training. Cause as it stands now, Ballaert won't make the NT cut.

Ow, and LoD, i just wanted to mention that Dorchain is one of the C's, who managed to keep it together against the bigmen of top nations, such as Slovenko or Portugal. That proves that he has earned his spot on the NT roster. Their are very few C's of whom can be said that they can rival with the C's of top nations...

Some nations have the luxury of having a real PF play at the PF, or maybe even SF spot. That PF often has JS/JR and sometimes OD aswell. Mees isn't at that lvl, and i dought that Joe can support a 200k PF on his team... Belgium isn't an as large community as spain, France, italy or china, just to name a few. We had to do it with what we have. And right now, Dorchain is one of the best that we have. I love Dorchain for the fact that he has got that OD. It makes him capable of guarding a PF or a C in a Man to Man defence.

that is a lot to read, and I'm too tired, so maybe some time later.

but let me already react to this:

But quadruple 14's just don't cut it anymore.

I didn't say they do, I said I would chose such a player over Dorchain...
Maybe you have the impression he does perform good, but purely theorethical, I know the quadruple 14 is the better player.
But I always view things from a neutral point of view. I like to have all options open. IF you attack inside all the time, Dorchain might be the slightly better choice, but I just don't like to be predictable...

The same is true for the U21 now. Beckers is better as long as Joe keeps attacking inside, yet some day he'll pay the price for that. And maybe there are people that say, well I'd like to pay with 1 or 2 games if I can win the rest with it. But personally I always aim for the highest goals, so dropping a few games on purpose is not amongst my tactical choices.

A short while ago Belgium was no team to be afraid of. Lately Joe and Sum, and also you the last cuple of seasons have made Belgium grow.
Now they come to a point where the top teams will need to take heed for our NT teams. This is the point where we must push through, to place ourselves amongst the top. The downside is that we will be looked upon a little more carefull as well. And the strongly inside oriented teams we have been creating, and almost all the time playing inside offense, will not go unnoticed. It might be the factor that will hold us back from pushing forward from here on. At least, that's my view. I have always had success with a balanced team, and have seen teams, stronger then mine, fall, just because they where , or had become, 1 sided.

Sum_41 and Jujubbterrible say a littke "hello" from the island of Sal (cabo Verde) :p

Sun, cocktails, beach volley and swimmingpool... that all we need here :p

P.S. Joe.... don't try to win our match it's impossible :p

You always make the same mistake: you talk about what you will do for your team when we talk about a national team

I think it is you who is making the mistake here. I am very well aware I am talking about the NT. Shot blocking is still the most underrated skill in the game, which I don't understand, especailly after the BBs have increased it's value in the game.

If a BB writes that shot blocking is more important then ID when it comes to inside defense, I'm not sure what can be misunderstood about it. To me it literally says that a ID14 and SB15 will defend better inside then a 15ID and 14SB player.

So picking a ID16 SB10 player over a ID14 SB14 player, solely for better inside defense is unexplainable to me.

If I say I would pick a quadruple 14 for the NT, I'm not talking about wage at all, just about performance. If I talk about players for my own team, it's the same actually, wage is secundary to performance, it just happens to be so that the BBs programmed it that the best players, have the lower wage, which is something I like offcourse!

A few persistent ideas still keep living in BB, and the way I see it, they only do, because (almost) nobody is trying to do it diffrently. Either because they are afraid it will fail, or because they believe they are sure what they think is true, or just don't think it could be diffrent, or any other reason...

I have the luck to be around for a long tmie, and I did get to test various types of players, whitout picking the very extremes ofcourse (I think extremes are not working, maybe I should try it out anyway. ). The players which had very high primaries, but where not realy balanced, where the players leaving the team fastest. The ones that I expected would not make the cut anymore, back when I did try win the titles, where somethimes played in important games, due to minute distribution, or because I just had 3 big games in 1 week, and I was surpriced at how well their performance matched the onces of the "clearly" better players.

Actually, since a while I have been reveiling most of my "little secrets" either in private to you and Revo, or lately even in public. Something I only started doing after I reached my goals, because before that they did give me the edge I often needed to win the games. Sharnig the info I have gathered by reading relyable posts, and based on my experience is realy all I can do. It's up to the receiver what the want to do with it.

A player has NEVER too much outside defense, whatever the position.

This is very true.
The best thing that the NT can field is 5 players, all with legendary on all skills. If I say his OD is to high, I mean that the training that has gone in it, would be much more rewarding if something else would have been trained. Maybe he started out with 7 already, and just popped to 8 with secondary training. In that case, it's just the way it is, and nothing could be done, but if he received a single traniing of pressing, after he reached 5 (or even 4, if he still needed other outside training that had OD as secondary) it's a waste, it also holds back his important skills when he caps. Cs don't take too much 3 point shots, unless the opposing C has 1 or 2 on OD. If they still try, a 5 is mostly enough to prevent the score, given your team's OD rating is high enough.
So technically his OD is not to high, but he could be a much better player if it wheren't so high. Hope this clarifies it a bit.
But it all comes back down to the same thing, if you start creating a team out of balance, you need more and more tweaks and turns to keep it on track. If a PF is played at SF, it lowers the OD rating of the team a bit, which makes it so that your PF and C will need higher OD personnaly, which will lead to their other skills being lower somewhere, which then has to be compensated by the other players in the team. On it's own, this is possible, but it gets realy nasty when the coach starts subbing...