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There is another possibility - maybe those VIP sits were bought by season ticket holders and are filled every game no matter what?

Now, that is a possibility. Definitely. But still, how many season ticket holders you assert he has? 10K? 12K? 15K? Unlikely. But listen, we can do this all day long - you obviously think that BB is doing a great job in this respect - carrying that LA title, I would be surprised if it were different - and me on the other end - having no obligation to any sponsors - I think that this is just another thing that BB have failed at this season. Let's just leave it at that :-)

No, don't get me wrong; just because I'm LA and Mod, that doesn't mean I blindly follow whatever BBs are doing. It's not like they would can me if I criticize a bit, haha

I'm trying to find a rational reason for such fans' behaviour just for the sake of it and not to defend BB. Btw, in this season I have enough good players for playing 2 competitive games/week, so I chose to try to win all games on the road to gain good attendance. It helped, but not a lot. In the meanwhile, my merchandise was jumping up like mad, probably because I have a U21 player who always starts for U21 NT. But lately, I (intentionally) lost three games in a row, however I'm still in the cup. Do you want to see my merchandise from last four weeks?

47k
54k
61k
47k

I mean...what the heck? I can't believe such a drop in merch is possible and I criticize that despite being a LA. So maybe there is irrational reason also for this guy who gets max attendance despite tanking.

Some things are worth criticizing and some are not, I guess (for example the training delays). But before screaming "I got robbed!", I always try to find a rational reason for it...

I am suffering around 15% drop in both attendance and merchandise. Last week won borth games against higher ranked teams than i am and still merchandise droped from 31k to 26k.... and fans attendance from 6.2k to 4.9k in bleetchers, thats weird.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 12/5/2011 10:04:27 AM

How do you tank with 300k weekly salary?

And you must be really naive - or perhaps you're just Edju's real good friend, which would actually explain quite a few things - to believe that he finished 5th two seasons in a row by pure chance, or as you put it, by "tanking the last game of the season".

When did I say, either implicitly or explicitly, that he wasn't trying to finish 5th?

But whatever, I'm not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind when you clearly have no interest in doing so.

My mind is certainly open to debate. It usually takes a better analogy than chrome treadmills and snails to sway my opinion though.

Believe me, Edju tanked more than just one game. Like, that is not even matter of debate. Everyone who cares to check can easily see that the man has been tanking on regular basis.

In his previous two seasons, which you referenced in your initial post, Edju lost one game by more than 40 points - the last game of season 17. There's a difference between what Edju did at the end of the last two seasons and what Jason is doing right now. The game results are different, as is the purpose of losing. Rightfully, at least in my opinion, Jason and Heathcoat are being punished a little more severely.

Debating over Edju misses the point that tanking teams like Jason's are still making too much money. If the BB's aren't going to address arena revenues for teams trying to relegate, then the salary floor should be raised to something like this:

Division I: 160% of TV money

Division II: 140% of TV money

Division III,IV: 120% of TV money

Division V,VI: 100% of TV money

I think what some people are missing is that your record is not the strongest factor in ticket sales.

It is your opponent and how strong they are.

What is silly to me is, a guy giving out 25-0's all seaosn gets anywhere close to full revenue. The prize for moving up a divison should be that you have the CHANCE to compete from revenues. NOT being GUARANTEED more revenue.

The way the game is now just glosses over farm teams. A guy moves up, dumps his good players, buys draftees and runs them the whole season while collecting first division revenue. And when i guy that is trying losses a tough game to a superior team, we face a penalty in the next games ticket sales.

Why should a guy consistantly losing by 75 points (or worse 0-25 every game) have an even remote chance of matching my revenues when im putting a legit team on the floor?

This game doesnt adjust well from ticket sales in corellation with will loss record.

Two losses in a row affect your ticket sales more than 6 wins in a row...especially losses on Saturday.

Nothing is more irritating than going into a game you 100% know the other team is using for training and they benefit from the popularity of your team...yet when they come to your arena, you do not benefit.

Why should a weaker team make more for me going to their arena than i make from them coming to mine?

You lose a game 0-25, or by 50+ points it should hit you. You lose 2/3 or more, it should hit you hard...and for the rest of the season.

Farm teams with 200k in salary stacking money because they are in the top divisions without even trying to win for a season. These teams should NEVER see 400k in a home game, much less 500k.

Um, how do I put this(?) no, you didn't explicitly say such a thing, or implicitly for that matter, but if you wanna think about it for a second, it is really not what you said as much it is what you didn't say.
You see, to me, tanking and his two 5th places, one season after another, are inseparable; to you, those two have nothing in common apparently. You kept saying how the guy didn't tank but one game last season, where you know yourself - unless you're, as I already said in that other post, really naive or more likely, in some kind of relationship with the man in question - that it is close to impossible to do what he did without intentionally losing throughout the season. Do you understand now what I'm talking about?

Second thing, when your mind is "certainly open to debate", why not talk about current season a bit? Tell me, how many times did he tanked this season, you think? Once? Twice? Three times? And that is not relevant to our conversation? Or if it is, then why are you keep skipping on that part(?) you know, you being objective and all :-) Perhaps his statistic from this season don't speak in favor of what you're trying to pitch?

Third thing, I'm well aware of existence of other teams who do the same thing, so there is really no reason for you to bring them into the conversation when I'm really trying to discuss Edju.
Yes, I know about Heatcoatmen, and yes, I agree, his case is even more absurd; but I already addressed that in one of my previous posts, didn't I? So, why do you talk about him again?
Yes, I know about Jason - I play in that league, you know; I know who my leaguemates are and what they do - and yes, I agree, he should be penalized for it, too; but again, what does he have to do with the point I'm trying to make about Edju?
Do you see where I'm going at with this? Does this help you to see why I said what I said in that last post of mine?

I just wasted another half an hour of my life, didn't I :-)

I rest my case.

Listen, you don't strike me as someone who is unfair, and for what it's worth, I respect your opinion - I even said how I usually agree with you in that first post I wrote - but you're clearly defending the system right now, that being intentionally or not. Not so much in this particular post - actually, judging by this one, I would say you're on my side :-) - but definitely in the earlier ones.

Edit:
And just for the record, I wasn't screaming "I got robbed!". I was just offering my two cents to an ongoing discussion. Similarly, I have no problem with Edju. He was used purely as an example.

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/6/2011 3:35:43 AM