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Exactly, my main problem was with Gee and Smith either getting bad info, or flat out lying (which I hope they weren't stupid enough to do) to those kids. Also, I'd imagine most if not all schools negatively recruit other teams, it's just what goes on.

I agree, having Michigan seemingly back is good for the B1G and college football as a whole. It seems the former unbalance we've had the past couple years is over.

As for OSU stuff. The main reason why OSU got the penalty they did is because of JT's cover up. Period. Rightfully so I might add. When you know you cheated and don't report that's going to do you in. Just ask Dez Bryant what dishonesty did for him in a much weaker case. After the cover up they self reported other things....so in your wisdom this makes up for the other? I'm actually surprised the scholly losses weren't worse.

If you want to talk about academic fraud, look at FSU. The case at UNC isn't nearly as bad and their individuals that had contact with agents had much stiffer penalties than your tattoo barterers. As for cars, the burden of proof was not found at OSU but you know as well as I do that illegal benefits happened there...they just covered it up nicely. Is it the same at Bama as you say? Sure, but according to your logic, if they can't prove it then it wasn't illegal.

As for not bringing up OU, that is ridiculous. First off, Stoops has ran a very clean program and is more of a disciplinarian than most other college coaches. He actually disciplines, suspends, and kicks kids off the team...unlike your new coach who was at Florida and let his criminals run around without consequence. Has OU in the past been involved in NCAA violations? Sure. Are they the "dirtiest program every"? Give me a break. The current example with Bomar/Lineman is a GREAT example as to why OSU got what they deserved. If they would have self reported when JT found out AND disciplined their own players then they wouldn't be missing a bowl next year. OU self reported, cooperated with the NCAA, and got rid of the guilty parties.If Herron, Posey, TP, and the D-lineman were punished and JT self reports, then OSU may not have lost 1 scholarship. So for you to write off the OU example because of the Switzer era is ridiculous.

As for a "2 year bowl ban", I think that is a bad way to look at it. Those kids went to the sugar bowl and got a free week in New Orleans plus gifts...are they giving those gifts and experience back? Nope. Are you saying that USC got a 3 year bowl ban instead of 2? I'm not...and it would be exactly the same as your example.

PS, if you don't think Urban Meyer used negative recruiting to flip one PSU commit and land Noah Spence as well then you are crazy.

Pretty fair answers I guess. For the record, I wasn't an OU fan until 2001 when I started attending there. I also am not a fan of Switzer. Met him multiple times and he wasn't a bad guy to talk to, I just didn't like how he handled himself and ran his programs...including the cowgirls. I actually went to church with one of his sons, Doug, who was a really good guy.

As for punishing the next class, well what else can they do? Nothing that makes sense. They did, however, punish JT pretty severely, which I was very happy with. Carrol didn't get anything with the reggie bush deal...and yes I know it's different scenarios, but still.

yall some stupid ass muther fuckers

LOL are we even allowed to say that on USA boards?

So, to analyze, not only did we lose all of 2010 through vacated wins, we lost all of this year due to our best players being out half or more of the season, Pryor and Tressell being shown the door. Then, the NCAA intentionally waits to levy this punishment until AFTER we have accepted a bowl bid this year so that it hurts us more.

Meanwhile you have numerous teams in the SEC specifically who have found that if you dont self-report, nothing happens. If you dont cooperate, the NCAA cant find anything, and does nothing. I suspect it also has to do with the level of play in the SEC (and the SEC network contract with ESPN which is a stakeholder in the NCAA) as to why nothing seems to happen to them.

That's what happens when you have a coach that LIES to the NCAA, fails to report known violations and an athletic department that documents that the coach hasn't filled out his compliance papers and doesn't bother to have that rectified.

And seriously, as I said earlier, the SEC is the only one of the AQ conferences that ESPN has no part of the first tier TV rights for. It'd be one thing if you were pushing CBS as the conspirator, but they're the lone conference that ESPN never has first choice for on TV.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Miami, UNC, and Penn St. All 3 of these schools should have penalties that significantly trump what OSU is going through. It is funny, USC gives like 100k benefits to Bush, and while they did lose substantially more scholarships, they also got a 2 year bowl ban. Meanwhile OSU 8k worth of improper benefits lands them a 2 year bowl ban as well.

USC didn't give those benefits to Bush, nor did the tOSU give benefits to their many, many players who ended up violating guidelines. For that matter, I don't remember Pete Carroll having been shown to know about the violations a year before and cover them up, for what little things like fact matter for this discussion.

Pretty interesting when you look at the Cam Newton investigation, which, involved the number 1 team in the country, who was heading for the title game. They basically just gave up on the investigation. You have Richt at Georgia paying his assistant coaches out of his own pocket, but the only punishment there is a letter condemning the actions. Alabama players drive around in $50k cars, but eh I am sure they just have the money for that as a 20 year old.

Yeah, the Cam Newton investigation just wrapped up this October -- after 13 months. That's some quality giving up right there! As far as Richt, and I am a Georgia hater in the first degree, but I think that what he did should not be considered wrong and the fact that they have to punish him for it is stupid. And if that stuff is going on at 'bama, it will come out, just like it did at the tOSU, when SI was about to break the news story themselves.

Claim 13 months all you want, but the guy was suspended and then reinstated less than 24 hours after. If they still had an investigation ongoing, he should have been held out. It is funny how Ohio State is being chastised by you guys for playing people they 'knew' were ineligible prior to the ncaa ruling coming out. Nice how one school can wait for the ruling and another has to do it before. Wonder what you would say had Cam been found guilty this October.......

I don't think anyone has actually "chastised" OSU for playing players in the Sugar Bowl. However, i do believe they should have cut ties with the players as soon as the allegations were confirmed, which was BEFORE the bowl game. Yes that seems harsh, but if JT/OSU cared about the TEAM then they would have gotten rid of them. Regardless of my opinions on that matter, this is far different than the Cam Newton situation. JT KNEW those players cheated and covered it up. The Auburn coaches had no confirmation of cheating or otherwise. When the NCAA was investigating the matter they found that the link was between an MSU booster and Cam. Auburn then was the one to pull Cam from playing, NOT the NCAA. The NCAA then reinstated him saying that they had found no wrongdoing by Auburn and therefore he shouldn't have to sit out yet. The NCAA suspended the OSU players because they already found wrongdoing, but somewhat awkwardly allowed them to still play int he bowl game...which still makes zero sense. THEN the NCAA continued the investigation to find out if more wrongdoing could be found....which it was. 2 TOTALLY different scenarios.

I find what you said to be very off base from what anyone has said about OSU and really a bad comparison. Your bias is showing ;)