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Then go back to the NBBA forum where he said he made 1 million in a week. There is some valid merit to what is being said. I want to focus on the speed of the game instead of the income. There is no complaint in how much money he makes or spends. It just identifies what we already know - if you are on top of the mountain, you get the biggest rewards.

You are coming in way too late guy - noone is saying BB should be level. The issue this: why not let time (in a game that is in an infant stage) be the guide grow and let the levels materialize?

This issue is pretty different from what most of this thread is about, the majority of posts are in the vein of "there will be a huge advantage for top teams" which I read as "woe is me, I'm not a top team".

I think the BBs have given several good reasons why they're not waiting, mostly the fact that the tops teams are making lots of cash and have nothing to spend it on, leaving nothing left for the lower teams.

Further, these changes are dictated to us just like in any other game. Your say was just as much as mine - zero.

What's your point here? I'm not being an ass, I just don't get the point.

Hattrick should stop being compared to BB. But tons or HT's are coming to BB because it is new and they have a chance to be like the Tombstone Titans or the Kansas City Wizards. Stogey23 had a nice run here (and some mired success in HT), but the masses want to kick the top dog off the mountain.

It should continued to be compared to HT so the mistakes that were made there (and ignored) for so long won't be repeated here.

Don't hate the player and don't hate their motives.

I'm not. I have no grudge against anyone in a higher division than me, I welcome the challenge.

In my opinion, BB teams are handed MORE of a silver platter and with the influx of players, they are given a silver spoon at a lower cost. Are you following me yet?

No, I'm not following you at all. When you start up in HT, so many of the decisions are basically made for you in terms of economics, there are established strategies and guide for newbs (hell, they even have a new manager test!). It's hard to start out, but there is no real danger of going bankrupt. I think it takes far more skill to be a BB manager right now, because so much is uncharted territory, especially in terms of the economy.

It a randomly generated game. Yet is it undoubtedly frustrating if you put time and energy into something and you see an advantage that in some peoples eyes actually levels the playing field more.

Again, I'm not sure what you mean here. I agree with the change, I don't care if the playing field is level. I will overcome disadvantages.

I think you should reread the posts - ALL 70 of them and then ask yourself what is the real issue. Then reread what the BB's sumarized.

I did read them all, unfortunately. From what I can see the real issue is that everyone is a junior economics major and everyone is thinking short, not long term.

We know there is no way in heck a Div I team should lose in the first round of a cup to a Div V bot. But it happened and yet I should hope with the bank loads they have, they are already in a position not to let that happen.

There is definitely a way: the div I team is a bad manager! Just because they're there doesn't mean they know what they're doing, this game is so new some people are still there due their sign up date.

you like a challenge, you can bring your team to my house anytime. I will even leave the light on. I wont complain, but should you lose, you shouldn't either.

I'd love to play you, maybe we'll meet up in the cup. And I hope the lights are on, because it'll be hard for my guys to drain 3s if they're not.

Edit: didn't see you edited your post until after I typed this.

Edited by nickfox45 (11/28/2007 9:02:06 PM CET)

Last edited by nickfox45 at 11/28/2007 9:02:06 PM

hmm.. weird.. i thought new teams would get completely new generated players. Or was it just a bug.

I think this is the underlying issue and it can only be improved with time. The problem is that by artificially trying to get these top skill players to the top teams sooner it can leave teams behind that might be almost as good, but just not in the top division.

It might not be completely fair but I think it's better to get the heirarchy sorted out sooner rather than later. I think that with vertical compression and good management most of the lower Div. teams that are upset will be at or near the top soon anyway so the disadvantage is not that great.

It was a bug.

As a Div III manager, there are other elements of the game that needs to be worked on first. Parity is very good for a game right now and shouldn't be overlooked until the game engine, tactics, staff, and training are mature. How about making a shotblock show up? How can doctors be valuable? How about defenses that create advantages on both ends of the court when they should only create them on the defensive end. There are ways to keep users plugged in other than this.

You're missing my point here, let me try to explain.

It's true that the money of the top teams are gone forever, but what does it really matter to them?

The issue is not what it matters to them, it's what it matters to the economy as a whole. If you only think about your own team, or what another team is doing, you're never going to be able to fix the problem. Part of the reason the BBs made this rule change was to remove some money from the game (to fend off inflation) without hurting new teams, and this is a good solution for it.

Then go back to the NBBA forum where he said he made 1 million in a week

That is with TV home games on back-to-back Saturday nights.

That wont happen again this season, and may not happen for several seasons.

..anyway, the distance between top and bottom are growing more rapidly and it will become a greater handicap to have been born in the bottom than before.

I think that's what they're trying to do.

In my opinion, BB teams are handed MORE of a silver platter and with the influx of players, they are given a silver spoon at a lower cost.

Not following you here...

Hattrick should stop being compared to BB.

BB is heavily based on HT. WIth the problems in HT recently, this game absolutely should be compared to HT to try and learn from their mistakes and avoid similar problems.

It a randomly generated game. While I agree with the maturity of the game is best, I disagree with the speed. There are other aspect of the game that can be addressed instead of this because the user base hasn't matured. Once that happens - any change that comes with it isn't met with such resistance.

I think that we all need to remember the fact that about three months ago, there were only around 1,000 active BB teams. Today there is around 25,000. What percentage of those teams stick around for the long haul is a discussion for another thread. With this huge increase came huge problems. The economy was one of them. The actions that the developers decided upon are preventative. The BBs, along with many other users, saw what was coming down the pike.

These changes may hurt some users in the short term, but in the long run they will benefit most.

You think that's a good thing or a bad thing ?