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Oh and no patronizing intended, I am unsure as to how that has come across. If you have read patronization in any of my words they are read into, in disagreeing, I was not putting you down, there is no need to get personal please. I was under the impression we were talking about the merits of uninhibited D3 training as easier than trying to manage it at D2. Whist I did concede to you much earlier in the discussion that it was possible at D2 to 2 person train, I did recommend that it is easiest at D3 and even gave a training suggestion of how to progress whilst training and maintaining a competitive team.

Oh and no patronizing intended, I am unsure as to how that has come across. If you have read patronization in any of my words they are read into, in disagreeing, I was not putting you down, there is no need to get personal please

It came across with you asking at least 4 times (including a previous thread) who are my English trainees, as if only owning elite English trainees gives anyone a right to talk. It came across with you being dismissive of anything that does not fit your narrative and leveraging on the accomplishments of your 20 season career to demean other people's opinions. You know very well I've owned exactly 0 English players since the very beginning and until I find a bargain who is comparable to those you can find from other nations or I complete my arena, I will still own 0 English players. You spent over 2 million on trainees, I spent less than 350k for a trainee who would have cost me over 700k if he was English. With the extra 350k, I built the arena and over 4 seasons those 350k, turned into 950k just in extra gate receipts without accounting for further re-investments. With an extra million there is a lot of things you can do, including, as Tatatallfella pointed out, bidding on a more polished product.

I did recommend that it is easiest at D3 and even gave a training suggestion of how to progress whilst training and maintaining a competitive team.

This worked for you who had already 11-12 seasons as a manager behind you, but for younger managers there are 2 problems. First, they don't have the luxury of a maxed out arena. You can't compare your situation to someone who also still needs to expand and has lower revenues. Second, even though you managed to pull it off perfectly, credit to you, it does not mean you will be able to repeat this next time. There is no guarantee you can pull off a promotion whenever you like. If you have a slightly more challenging D3 (like D3.1-D3.6 or so), you might miss out and you can definitely miss out in D2. Yours is a valid plan which worked for you, but there is ground to say that from a risk and economy perspective, surviving in D2 might be actually a better and safer option than voluntarily demote.

No need to give Gully a hard time of it mate.

The stab was not aimed at Gully, clearly. When I said that some of our players came up short, nowhere I suggested he was somehow responsible for that. And if he, on his own, does feel responsible for it, he really shouldn't.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/3/2014 7:34:50 PM

i just genuinely dont know most of the good english players/prospects out there because i dont play against any of them but are there times when the NT is way short on quality? like simply not enough good prospects coming through?

I'm really not sure why you are so upset mate, you are reading waaaaay too much into stuff

the NT in the coming seasons is going to be increasingly short on guards, you will notice that both Tata and myself are very keen on picking up English players and we are both having to buy in non english guards because frankly there just arent enough.

hmm not great then but might be a reflection of declining user base means lower quality NTs but it might not be trainers that quit.

Also just out of curiosity how many seasons do NT players get trained? to 25/26?

You spent over 2 million on trainees, I spent less than 350k for a trainee who would have cost me over 700k if he was English. With the extra 350k, I built the arena and over 4 seasons those 350k, turned into 950k just in extra gate receipts without accounting for further re-investments. With an extra million there is a lot of things you can do, including, as Tatatallfella pointed out, bidding on a more polished product.

I picked Mac at ... 1/1/1 - 3/1/2 - 7/7/6/7....... the polished product I spent millions on... lets just say you haven't quite judged me correctly on multiple levels here and would do best to maybe just stop throwing stones at me because I am totally confused as to why you are so mad.

Is it possible for the NT/U21 manager or some assisntant to run the NT Scout software, check and list the best prospects after the end of the season/beginning of the new one? Something kind of similar to what Vecx did a few seasons ago for players who could be further developed?


Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/3/2014 8:16:41 PM

It varies by position, quality of trainer and starting stats and the quality of other players available but as a rough guide I estimate it would be about...

C's - 23-24
PG's - 24-25
SG's - 25-26
PF's - 25-26
SF's - 26-27

You would probably keep training them up to 28 or 29 if you really wanted to max them out if they are HoF's and ATG's

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/3/2014 8:20:19 PM

I think morwood may be able to help on that, he was able to port the draft with a program somehow for Philippines, save the workload for doing it all manually which trust me, took a bucketload of work in people scouting, morwood checking every player individually and us collecting it all on the offsite.

I think about it and I start to develop a twitch in my eyes.. all those numbers!!! lol

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/3/2014 8:24:27 PM

Whoah there. Add at least two years to all of those top ages.
26 is the minimum you stop at for a Hof pot player.

edit: I see your edit now and agree with this far more, 28-29 is when you can take them out of skill training and focus on game shape instead.

Last edited by Elmacca at 12/4/2014 4:52:35 AM