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Inside offences dominate for 50 seasons, noone bats an eye. Someone wins first time with a different setup, everyone loses their minds.

Why is everyone talking about the offense, instead of the defense part? The outside offense didn't stop it, the defense did. You only saw my one player with the lowest JR, the others have a lot more.

Thanks a lot to all the congratulation messages. It is nice to hear those from a legend like you @Darkonako.

I would like to thank the managers who gave me their experience playing with SB bigs and 3-2 zone. (I miss you Manon.) I made all of you proud :)

I'm a fan of 3-2 in a sense that it's fresh and exciting and it's a lot more usable than it used to be (even U21 rosters utilise it extremely well now), but there's one thing I dislike about it - if you have good enough players, there's no downside to it. Outside? 3-2 amazing. Inside? 3-2 amazing. Whereas 2-3 which is supposed to be effective against inside rosters is borderline unusable.

BB's never been a defense oriented game and I still think that this win is more of an exception than the rule.

Look, did you see? Your victory is appreciated. Because you reflect your character differently here. You are not afraid to show your dark side in BB-Turkey, but you have spoiled the game for many people. Not everyone was your enemy. You created this situation yourself and chose to continue it with persistence. I beg you to put aside your toxic and suspicious behavior. Except for your friends, you left no one to appreciate you in Turkey. You think so too, and yes, those people don't matter to me. But enjoyment of the game and positive energy are important.

I am writing here to strengthen my seriousness, not to offend you. You can believe me, congratulations on your championship. I also think that the taste of this championship is much more delicious because you do not go the way most teams go. Please make this championship a milestone. I hope you understand what I mean.

Peace!

The downside is the limitation of 1 of the 4 inside skills. Assuming every inside player will have at least a high ID, you have to make a choice which 2 other skills you have.

If you choose RB and SB as DY and many others do, your downside is having only 3 offensive players on the court.

If you choose IS and RB, your downside is inside defense because the lack of blocking ability.

If you choose IS and SB, your downside will be rebounds which you will lose significantly.

So yes you are correct in a sense that there is no real defensive downside if you choose RB/SB route but that offensive downside is significant. DY managed to play around it with 3 amazing offensive players but as Alonso said, this was the first time they won B3 despite many attempts with almost the same team.

Yes, but you're talking about an offensive downside, not a defensive one. Defense wise - there's none.

And we both know that the offensive downsides can be mitigated in your defensive C's having different skillsets. You can play outside, you can reverse things - a ton of options, if you're rich enough.

The argument that "you've seen only one player with the lowest JR" doesn't really matter, since SG is one of the key positions for outside tactics, and if that kind of a player managed to pull it off at 20js/13jr/17IS playing 40+ minutes, maybe it does work a lot better than we think?

Nehal shot 33/74 at 44 percent efficiency, taking 74 out of all 363 shots (a whopping 20 percent), scoring 95 of 371 points (25 PERCENT) when playing outside tactics (4 games at PO). So when such a simple player can do such amazing things, maybe outside does work with top notch levels? (What we actually saw when Augus won the B3) . And if 130k simpleton that generates such value can create those 42percent, maybe we're on a good path?

In terms of LI dominance, yes, it's here to stay until good outside players cost 300k of salary each.

And don't get me wrong, you rock and I love the fact that you won it by being different. Your victory simply allows us to discuss about how the things are/should be ;)

Last edited by Kritulys at 1/6/2022 5:05:37 AM

Yes, I'm fully aware of the offensive drawbacks of it.

And I'm not implying 3-2 should be nerfed or anything, I'm just worried that 3-2 might become the inside of defense.

Inside offences dominate for 50 seasons, noone bats an eye. Someone wins first time with a different setup, everyone loses their minds.

Why is everyone talking about the offense, instead of the defense part? The outside offense didn't stop it, the defense did. You only saw my one player with the lowest JR, the others have a lot more.

Thanks a lot to all the congratulation messages. It is nice to hear those from a legend like you @Darkonako.

I would like to thank the managers who gave me their experience playing with SB bigs and 3-2 zone. (I miss you Manon.) I made all of you proud

Well, gratz, excellent match.

Btw, your lowest JR player played 43 minutes (Justin when do you think to solve the short roster problem?) scoring 27 points and honestly I'm not impressed by him, there are better players on the TL right now. He played against two lvl 19 in OD and your attack has been in the hands of just 3 players, one of them is the player with lowest JR.
So glad to see your victory, I'm a trainer of SB but is hard to explain how you've done it, no offence at all ;)

It already is the best inside defense with right players. It has been for a long time and I don't think anyone is questioning it at least after this.

But with overall team performance in mind it still lacks a lot. DY being first one to actually pull it of even though there has been many others attempting during these past 20 seasons just proves how limited this tactic is.