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Some manager in a different thread posted that, D.IV managers don't know what they are talking about normally, and should not be giving advice.

How would you stand on that, or how would any D. IV 10 person stand on that. Since it seems there are 4-8 teams in the division that would be fine in D.III

Is this the post you're referencing? (220421.10)

If so, your question was already answered here (220421.11) and here (220421.26)

Last edited by Arthur Monay at 6/22/2012 5:54:15 PM

Seriously are we still talking about this?

Let's keep it short and sweet. People in Division V should be asking questions and not answering them.

Come on Pvizzle. Don't encourage him.

Haha, I got mentioned in that thread :D

But no normally I don't really care where the advice is coming from, you just have to look at the advice by itself and decide if it sounds reasonable to you. Though on average I'm sure higher division teams are more likely to give better advice.

So, since the post-season is here, I wanted to share how I think the Div. 4 leagues stack up this season. I had the time, so I wasted a sizable chunk of my day off to try and make a *scientific* answer to this question. And my formulas have yielded the following complete rankings of toughness in Div. 4:

Rhyminsimon's D.4 League Toughness Rankings(100=avg)

1. IV.20 - 127
2. IV.28 - 127
3. IV.32 - 125
4. IV.10 - 125
5. IV.41 - 124
6. IV.14 - 121
7. IV.55 - 121
8. IV.58 - 120
9. IV.60 - 118
10. IV.54 - 118
11. IV.30 - 117
12. IV.56 - 114
13. IV.59 - 113
14. IV.46 - 113
15. IV.31 - 112
16. IV.29 - 111
17. IV.16 - 111
18. IV.1 - 110
19. IV.4 - 110
20. IV.63 - 110
21. IV.18 - 110
22. IV.9 - 108
23. IV.39 - 108
24. IV.42 - 107
25. IV.17 - 104
26. IV.45 - 104
27. IV.21 - 103
28. IV.19 - 103
29. IV.49 - 102
30. IV.26 - 102
31. IV.11 - 101
32. IV.24 - 101
33. IV.22 - 101
34. IV.5 - 100
35. IV.44 - 100
36. IV.33 - 100
37. IV.51 - 100
38. IV.64 - 99
39. IV.13 - 99
40. IV.43 - 99
41. IV.47 - 98
42. IV.62 - 97
43. IV.61 - 96
44. IV.53 - 95
45. IV.57 - 95
46. IV.2 - 95
47. IV.8 - 94
48. IV.52 - 94
49. IV.37 - 93
50. IV.15 - 92
51. IV.40 - 92
52. IV.27 - 92
53. IV.23 - 90
54. IV.35 - 90
55. IV.3 - 90
56. IV.12 - 89
57. IV.7 - 89
58. IV.38 - 89
59. IV.25 - 86
60. IV.48 - 86
61. IV.6 - 85
62. IV.36 - 84
63. IV.50 - 84
64. IV.34 - 76

In case you're wondering, my methods are *very scientific* ;-) and took into account NR, W & PD. I also weighted heavily to top teams and ignored 5th & 8th (non-post-season teams). If you’re seriously interested I’ll post my formula.

But of course, as the old sexy hippie said, the alternative is to consider that the league is only as tough as its toughest team, period. (And, let's be honest, this list is more fun because it's where individual glory is won!) Here are the leagues by the NR of the top playoff seed:

D.4 League Toughness Rankings (by NR of #1 Playoff Seed)

1. IV.10 East City
2. IV.1 Sons of Toby Kimball
3. IV.28 Lakey
4. IV.14 Maine Lobstahs
5. IV.16 Bad Blue Boys
6. IV.58 London Werewolves
7. IV.12 Connecticut Cresleys
8. IV.47 Pacific Grove
9. IV.41 The Premature Shooters
10. IV.60 Tough Mudders
11. IV.45 Heathcliff Attackers
12. IV.20 Philadelphia Phantasm
13. IV.32 Bunny Humpers
14. IV.21 Demon Hoosiers
15. IV.24 Delroy Wolfpack
16. IV.55 Exiles
17. IV.5 oo Pwnstarz oo
18. IV.22 Monster Island Kaiju
19. IV.18 3PointPlayers
20. IV.29 New York Dragons
21. IV.37 TKLU
22. IV.31 PuffPuffPass
23. IV.4 Dirty_Sanchez
24. IV.59 Libertines
25. IV.15 Bloom County Boingers
26. IV.25 A-town Tigers
27. IV.30 Practice Makes Perfect
28. IV.8 Lion Rebels
29. IV.17 La Crosse Jammers
30. IV.51 Georgia Tech
31. IV.26 Sandersville Preyers
32. IV.19 Alvinville Chipmunks
33. IV.38 Phi Slama Jama
34. IV.34 Real Big Tymers
35. IV.63 Nashville Bird
36. IV.56 Dinosaurs Bone
37. IV.54 Skin&Bone
38. IV.23 Pump N Run
39. IV.61 Norfolk Knights
40. IV.50 The King of Kings
41. IV.43 Piedmont BC
42. IV.53 The Americans
43. IV.42 Rightway State2
44. IV.13 Frito Bandito
45. IV.40 Massapequa Muscats
46. IV.35 Kentucky Wyldcats
47. IV.9 LBC Soldiers
48. IV.46 The Old Ones
49. IV.11 Mindless Zombies
50. IV.33 Frogmonsters
51. IV.7 Bushrods
52. IV.39 Davis Bears
53. IV.49 Girona CB
54. IV.57 Clawz
55. IV.62 Thunderhorse
56. IV.36 woowaa
57. IV.52 Pink Tacos
58. IV.27 Serapo Gaeta
59. IV.64 Richmond Rage
60. IV.44 Apollos
61. IV.48 Krazies
62. IV.3 2cool
63. IV.2 ExplosiveBubbleWrap
64. IV.6 Trailblazers17

Last edited by rhyminsimon at 8/6/2012 10:10:29 PM

thnx a lot man, now I know which league I want to be in! which is where I hope to do the 2 season promotion idea and KEEP COLEMAN AND DELONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and thats is either IV.6, IV.48, IV. 50, or IV.34 thanks!


and I also know which leagues NOT to be in...

except I wanted to be in IV.32....man I liked their league it was competitive and fun.......


all I want to be in is a active D4 league with a lot of talk........not some boring league like V.89

And as a bonus, here are some misc. interesting stats:

Average ranking for a Div IV team: 1072
Average NR, W, PD by End of season Conference Standings:
1st: 428, 19.1, +534
2nd: 555, 16.6, +387
3rd: 751, 14.3, +221
4th: 874,12.0, +95
5th: 1048, 10.2, -8
6th: 1335, 8.0, -166
7th: 1593, 5.3, -367
8th: 2122, 2.5, -668

AVG NR of all US Div.IV Great 8 teams: 1056
AVG NR of all US Div.IV Big 8 teams: 1088
Great 8 Teams averaged 10 more total points and .14 more wins in Season 20

Interesting. I knew IV.36 was weak, but not that weak. Haha.

Very nice work! and woohoo GREAT 8, showing em what's up. Same to East!

And I'd love to see the actual formulas :)

Here ya go:

DANR1 = Average Nat’l Rank for Conference #1’s in Division
LANR1 = Average Nat’l Rank for Conference #1’s in League
DAW1 = Average Wins for Conference #1’s in Division
LAW1 = Average Wins for Conference #1’s in League
DAPD1 = Average Point Differential for Conference #1’s in Division
LAPD1 = Average Point Differential for Conference #1’s in League

LWANR = League Weighted Average NR(8*LANR1+4*LANR2+2*LANR3+1*LANR4+2*LANR6+1*LANR7)/18
LWAW = League Weighted Average Wins(8*LAW1+4*LAW2+2*LAW3+1*LAW4+2*LAW6+1*LAW7)/18
LWAPD = League Weighted Average Point Differential(8*LAPD1+4*LAPD2+2*LAPD3+1*LAPD4+2*LAPD6+1*LAPD7)/18

DWANR = Division Weighted Average NR(8*DANR1+4*DANR2+2*DANR3+1*DANR4+2*DANR6+1*DANR7)/18
DWAW = Division Weighted Average Wins(8*DAW1+4*DAW2+2*DAW3+1*DAW4+2*DAW6+1*DAW7)/18
DWAPD = Division Weighted Average Point Differential(8*DAPD1+4*DAPD2+2*DAPD3+1*DAPD4+2*DAPD6+1*DAPD7)/18

The weighting of the averages reflects these assumptions about chances of getting to the Finals: #1 seed 8/15, #2 seed 4/15, #3 seed 2/15, #4 seed 1/15. And it judges that winning relegation is about as important (in terms of how tough a league is) as making it to the Semis.

LWANR/DWANR = NR Rating
LWAW/DWAW = Win Rating
LWAPD/DWAPD = PD Rating

Each of these ratings is close to 1 and reflects a league’s toughness in one area as compared to the division’s toughness in that area.

50*(1-NR Rating) + 25*Win Rating + 25*PD Rating = Rhyminsimon’s Toughness Rating

And the weighting of the ratings assumes that the number and strength of wins in the meaningful slots (PO and REL) are each half as important as national rank in determining the toughness of a league. Using coefficients that make average = 100 provided an intuitive way of understanding the rating. It's reads like IQ.

atleast u have cometahalley but nobody in my league talks

Haha so I'm the 63rd best IV. league team? That's so sad I thought I'd at least be in top 40..