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Here lets check the receipts on a few transfers that are what I believe the BB's are talking about and what I think aren't right. Feel free to defend these however you want, I just want it to be clear what I am talking about.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Peter Phuan for $31,00 (hall of fame potential)
Oct. 28, 2021 You sell Peter Phuan for $350,000

In the 3 weeks on your team Peter Phuan never receives 48 minutes of training. He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 games for this new team and they go bot.

Oct. 7, 2021 You purchased Besar Paqarizi for $68,000 (hall of fame potential)
Dec 1, 2021 You sell Besar Paqarizi for $229,000

Besar Paqarizi receives limited training on your team (full training some weeks). He is bought by a new team. He plays 0 minutes for this team and they go bot.

July 1, 2021 You purchased Thibault Nivet for $82,700 (hall of famer potential)
August 8, 2021 You sell Thibault Nivet for $249,000

Thibault Nivet receives limited training on your team in the one month. He is bought by a new team. He plays 2 games for this new team and then is fired.

I can keep looking, but these are the types of transfers I'm against. It is no secret that new players overrate potential. Should we be able to exploit this as experienced users? I don't think that is a good idea.

On your assessment has big influence that they weren't being trained.

If they were being trained (gym lvl3 + trainer lvl5), they would be worth let's say 3M$ (maybe even more) per each on market.

So what was mistake: transfer or not training them?

200-300k for perspective young player with almost the highest potential is really that much? Of course, it's price for potential more than skills, but perspectives on selling them with profit are big.

By the way, potential is currently very desirable (I don't agree it's overrated) because new facilities and trainers block player's potential very early.

By the way: Is it fair enough, when somebody buy top trainer for 3kk and made top player, and then somebody buy this really top player for 3kk, because his salary is too high to carry for most teams:)

Isn't it a playing on innocence/kindness of users, who like training? BB is full of injustice.

The funny thing is that, despite the new rules, he does not give a shit and he's still putting on sale 9 of those players. What a brave man, what a hero, what a COJONES. There's no official threat that can stop the heart of a true rebel.

Even funnier will be, if he sells one of these, the number of cheating reports he'll get. The BB website might even go down for a while...

On your assessment has big influence that they weren't being trained.

If they were being trained (gym lvl3 + trainer lvl5), they would be worth let's say 3M$ (maybe even more) per each on market.

So you're saying that if you trained a 19 year old guy with 50-55 TSP for 1 month (4-5 trainings) he would be worth 3M instead of 30k? If I'm generous, he could get 8 pops during that time (7 pops from 1on1 training and 1 GYM pop), but I think you know yourself that 19 yo guy with 55-65 TSP sold middle of the season is not worth 3M even with HoF potential and amazing skill distribution... So I think the issue is both transfer and not training them.

I'm not saying that you or any other team that has done this earlier have cheated but it's has been on a grey area as it requires taking advantage from newbies or not experienced and educated managers. Now BB's are informing in advance that this is now not on the grey area but forbidden and will be sanctioned so I don't see any problem with that when it's communicated and warned in advance and requires continuous actions.

I think you know yourself that your reasoning and justifications are just ridiculous and don't have any merit to what is actually happening in the market. You will figure out some other ways to make extra money in BB when this kind of action is forbidden so I wouldn't worry too much.

After understanding what the BBs mean with the day-trading problem for me its pretty clear that this is cheating and users that do it should be penalised. I will explain my self with an real life example.

Lets assume that instead of BB, the users that takes advantages of this method are investors with a really deep knowledge of the share market. They know that they can buy share from firms that 2 years ago have tremendous potential and rentability but at the end they didnt grow as much as they were supossed.

So lets say that this investor know that the real and actual value for a firm of this kind is 50k, but they buy it in other to sell the for 400k in a matter of one week to an eighty year old thats has NO knowledge of how the market works, the 80 year old just know that this firm use to have some rentability and belive the investor because he is a well known person with knowledge of the market. Do you think that this investor are not cheating? That they are not taiking advantage of others with NO knowledge in other to get more rich?

This what is going on in BB now, new users with NO knowledge losing all,or almost all their money, in an investment that can cost them to slow down their time to be in a good spot in BB for months of real life, just in orher that you get 200-300 k income from week to week.

So dont try to argue that what you guys are doing is fair or how the market works, you are fooling new users. Try to compete in a fair way.

Last edited by Villodres16 at 5/12/2022 3:09:07 AM

So you're saying that if you trained a 19 year old guy with 50-55 TSP for 1 month (4-5 trainings) he would be worth 3M instead of 30k?

No. It was about training them in new teams.

Guys, read posts carefully without emotions and respect time and another's opinions, please.

don't have any merit to what is actually happening in the market.

I don't agree. Support you thesis and try to buy perspective youngster with potential hof currently (suited to your training plans). Of course, you can hit occasion, but generally it's not easy now.


Last edited by kozlik4 at 5/12/2022 3:48:00 AM

I'm pretty sure Alonso used a wrong term for this whole matter - we're not dealing with "cheaters", we're dealing with a simple case of "abuse".

And we've already had plenty of such cases, like full scale tanking and the old case of day-trading. Were they considered cheating? Nope. Were they considered an abuse and an unhealthy feature of the game? Yep. So it got changed just like that.

You don't have to be a genius in economics, to understand that scalping should not exist. In the real world, you will get fined if you buy 30 tickets to Ariana Grande or whatever for 10 bucks and then sell them 10 days later for 300 bucks each. I bet such people also "understand how economics work" :D . The arguments given about this being ok are just borderline ridiculous.