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How should I train them to make the U21?

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156145.9 in reply to 156145.5
Date: 9/7/2010 3:18:18 AM
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About the trainer. Its not really proven that it is necessary to have a trainer above level 4. The differences seem to be very little. But if you can afford you can get yourself a level 5 trainer. but at least level 4.


Here I'm not agree with you, my friend, because if you want to have a NT/U21 player, you need at least a lvl 5 coach. Because, the difference between a lvl 4 and lvl 6 training is significant for a player for u21 squad, you earn few skill up's,in few seasons, and this is very important for a u21 prospect. Generally, I think, the lvl 6 or 7 is the best for such prospects, but they are situations when some teams con afford big salaries and money to buy such coaches, and in this situations, the optimal solution is to buy a lvl 5 coach, but if you want to have a marvelous player in u21 team, you must buy a lvl 6-7 trainer, and I say you this basing on my own experienced, because I had a lot of trainer of different lvl's, and my conclusion is this :-)

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Date: 9/7/2010 7:26:06 AM
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Okay, one thing I have to say here:)

If I calculated correctly, you want him to have 24 skill ups by the end of next season. This is about 25 weeks from now on (maybe one more or less). I think this is very optimistic:) If it was all inside skills, I'd say its possible, but to give him 4 in each, passing and handling will take about 16 weeks (I'm assuming 2 weeks per skill up for a twenty year old of this hight). The same with OD. But you can at least give it a try, maybe he is not as slow as I expect.
The second thing. Train OD is maybe not a bad idea. I'm still looking at the tall guy who could be a defensive beast one day with even more OD. But, don't expect him to get skill ups very fast. OD takes about 2 weeks even for small players.

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Date: 9/7/2010 7:29:53 AM
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I myself have changed from a level 4 to a level 6 trainer a few months ago, and to be honest, I cannot see the difference. Of course, there must be one, otherwise there wouldn't be different levels:) But I would like to see studies about it first, to say that it is for sure, that you need such a high level to create a U21 or NT player.

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Date: 9/7/2010 10:29:08 AM
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to be honest, I don't believe that you don't see the difference between a lvl 4 and lvl 6 coach. I fell the difference between a lvl 5 and 6, but between 4 and 6 it is a difference.They were a lot of discussion about this on Help and Global forum, but nobody realize a study about this, they are just some thoughts about this: http://buzzerbeater.wgz.cz/coach-height-and-age-affect.
However, it was concluded that with a lvl 6 coach you earn about two weeks of training, and for a u21 prospectus, believe me, it is something very important. But it's up to everybody to choose what type of coach to have, me , from my experience, recommend a coach from lvl 5 and higher for U21/Nt player training.

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Date: 9/7/2010 12:40:55 PM
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it was concluded that with a lvl 6 coach you earn about two weeks of training.


You mean within one season compared to a level 4 trainer?

When I see I don't see the difference I mean, that I don't see a significant speed up in training. Yet, I do believe that it is faster. I just think that it is still possible to build a U21 player with a level 4 trainer.
To give one example (okay, its only a half example): My PG Hampsas was trained with a level 4 trainer. He didn't make it to the U21, but, according to the salary he was "better" than some other guards on the team. I think if I had trained him a little differently he would have made it.

PS: I don't know what I'm doing wrong that my post appears as a quote.

Last edited by eastendboy at 9/7/2010 12:42:07 PM

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156145.14 in reply to 156145.13
Date: 9/7/2010 1:43:47 PM
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You mean within one season compared to a level 4 trainer?

yes, you understand right:-)


When I see I don't see the difference I mean, that I don't see a significant speed up in training. Yet, I do believe that it is faster. I just think that it is still possible to build a U21 player with a level 4 trainer.


of course my friend you can not see a significant speed up in training, because like you see here http://buzzerbeater.wgz.cz/coach-height-and-age-affect it's estimated in about 0.06% and like I say before it just about 2 week's of extra training, but for a young U21 prospect it is something:-)

To give one example (okay, its only a half example): My PG Hampsas was trained with a level 4 trainer. He didn't make it to the U21, but, according to the salary he was "better" than some other guards on the team. I think if I had trained him a little differently he would have made it.



ok, so you example is not so good, because you player it is not in the squad :-)but it's a nice player! What I can also say is that the salary it's not a very good indicator, because they are on the TL a lot of player, that I can not post here, with big salary and without a good arsenal of skills(monoskills)...I mean, the salary can't show exactly how good it's a player, because they are skills like JR, JS,PA, that can grow player salary, but not improve so much his performance.

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156145.15 in reply to 156145.14
Date: 9/7/2010 2:51:42 PM
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I can tell you that Hampsas is a very balanced PG. His OD, HA and PA are all at the same level and his top skills and they have always been. So he is not like the players you mentioned:) But I know what you mean.
But well, I'm still glad I got a level 6 trainer now. Since i want to build SFs, which will take me a looong time I'm sure he will help me:)

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156145.16 in reply to 156145.15
Date: 9/7/2010 4:44:36 PM
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if you want, you can try to do some statistic regarding training with the new lvl 6 trainer, and it will be easy to find out if this coach is better than others,or he don't worth the money :)

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Date: 9/7/2010 10:37:42 PM
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But I would have to be able to compare it with the results of someone who has a level 4 trainer and trains the same skills I do with comparable players. If you say he will be about 0.06% faster, how long would it take me to have adequate results, and how could I measure the sub-skills? I don't want to bother myself with figuring that out:)
Don't get me wrong, I still think he is worth it. I just think it is still possible to create a U21 player with a level 4 trainer (for example with a player who has an ideal hight and really good starting skills).

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156145.18 in reply to 156145.17
Date: 9/8/2010 12:32:34 AM
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It would also depend on what country the player is from and what starting skills he has. For smaller countries level 4 trainer with 1 position training could be enough while for larger countries it my be a lot more competitive so a better trainer is needed.

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Date: 9/8/2010 1:56:20 AM
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It would also depend on what country the player is from and what starting skills he has. For smaller countries level 4 trainer with 1 position training could be enough while for larger countries it my be a lot more competitive so a better trainer is needed.


exactly what I wanted to say:-) this depend of the country and players stats.