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My guess is you're in a low division and the point guard you saw is on a weak team in a high division.

There isn't that much difference between the divisions yet, certainly not enough to account for this.

Thanks for all the comments, but I don't think any of us is on the right track yet.

Any other thoughts? I'm still baffled.

Couldn't he have been a great point guard on a team with a bunch of poor passing & handling players?

Steve
Bruins

I thought of that, but why sell him unless you are training guards that are as good or better for your own team? Isn't more likely he has two ball handlers in his regular lineup that are as good or better than this guy?

Financial reasons? Maybe he has 2 good point guards but nothing decent at any other position.

This is the same as your #2, is it not?

Your opponents tactics and your opponents defense are not even close to tthe same thing.

So tactics and OF are independent, as I read this.

Same paragraph:

Putting on a full court press will increase the number of turnovers you force, but will also give opponents with good ball handling skills easy looks at the hoop.

So maybe tactics do influence the OF, because the offensive flow will be better when your opponent does not execute FCP well.

But it's the same story for almost everything regarding the game-engine. Nothing is for sure, it's just what you believe. There are no facts yet, just a general discription in the rules.

Couldn't he have been a great point guard on a team with a bunch of poor passing & handling players?

Steve
Bruins

I thought of that, but why sell him unless you are training guards that are as good or better for your own team? Isn't more likely he has two ball handlers in his regular lineup that are as good or better than this guy?

Financial reasons? Maybe he has 2 good point guards but nothing decent at any other position.

Exactly my point. If he has two guards of equivalent caliber, his ratings would not drop because he sold one. Only on PG plays at a time.

This is the same as your #2, is it not?

Your opponents tactics and your opponents defense are not even close to tthe same thing.

They are both 'tactics'

One is your offensive tactic, the other is your defensive tactic.

'Tactics' does NOT merely mean offense.

So tactics and OF are independent, as I read this.

Same paragraph:

Putting on a full court press will increase the number of turnovers you force, but will also give opponents with good ball handling skills easy looks at the hoop.

So maybe tactics do influence the OF, because the offensive flow will be better when your opponent does not execute FCP well.

But it's the same story for almost everything regarding the game-engine. Nothing is for sure, it's just what you believe. There are no facts yet, just a general discription in the rules.

What you cite is a description of the defensive tactic called 'Full Court Press.' It has nothing to do with the Offensive Flow rating. Anyone who uses FCP will create a few more turnovers for his opponent while giving up a few easy baskets. That is how FCP works in reality.

From the rules:

The better offensive flow you have, the more high quality assisted shots you will get.

This sentence is very clear. OF improves every offensive tactic. So it is independent of your offensive tactical and choice. And your opponent's defensive tactical choice.

Check out the OF of the top teams in USA D1. There OF rating against other D1 teams is insignificantly different from the ratings they achieve in Cup games against DV bot teams. This is typical at all levels and countries that I have checked out. Not everyone, to be sure, but more than anyone else has taken the time to look at, other than a BB, I'm willing to bet.

I've seen a few OFs reach Mediocre, but most good teams are only Inept no matter who they play. Why is this? Why would a player like a cited in the first post not result in at least Mediocre OF?

Again from the rules:

Offensive Flow (how well the offense produces assists, avoids turnovers): point guard weighted very heavily, shooting guard weighted medium, small forward weighted medium.

A guy like this should make a significant difference. And he's not.

I'd like to understand why.

It has nothing to do with the Offensive Flow rating. Anyone who uses FCP will create a few more turnovers for his opponent while giving up a few easy baskets. That is how FCP works in reality.

This sentence is very clear. OF improves every offensive tactic. So it is independent of your offensive tactical and choice. And your opponent's defensive tactical choice.

Lets take an in-game example.
My last two games, same form, same line-up. The first game I played push the ball, OF was inept(low), the second game (remember: same form, same line-up, not training updates in between) I played Look Inside, OF was awful(low). How come this ain't exactly the same in both games? The same players played. My backups even played less in the 2nd game, so the OF should be higher there.

Maybe you have an explanation for this, because I don't. If only your own players affect the offensive flow than there is something very strange here, since the same players and with the same stats (no training update in between) played.

I'd like to understand the OF as well, but I do believe it isn't only your players skills who have influence on it, there has to be more.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/6/2008 10:44:23 AM

They are both 'tactics'

One is your offensive tactic, the other is your defensive tactic.

'Tactics' does NOT merely mean offense.

Thjis reply has nothing to do with what I said. If you are going ot be curt then at least try to be correct. AT NO POINT WAS OFFENSE EVER MENTIONED.

Of course there are defensive and offensive tactics.

There are ALSO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEFENSIVE ABILITY, which is entirely separate from the tactics you choose.

Last edited by TigerUnderGlass at 3/6/2008 12:56:42 PM