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189480.9 in reply to 189480.5
Date: 7/12/2011 8:51:47 PM
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I think this is very exaggerated. You probably don't need this much defense even for a championship team.

I think an above than average team goes something like this:

PG:
OD 8-10 ID 3-5

SG:
OD 9-11 ID 3-5

SF:
OD 8-9 ID 5-7

PF:
OD 5-7 ID 8-10

C
OD: 3-5 ID 9-11

As long as you have solid rebounding and manage enthusiasm/GS well, you should be fine with this. It should make playoffs in most leagues. Additionally, an extra guard with 13+ OD could really help your team shut down the high salary guys you'll see on some teams, but in no way are they necessary to make playoffs.

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189480.10 in reply to 189480.9
Date: 7/12/2011 8:56:43 PM
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I agree those numbers earlier in the thread are really high. Sure, it would be great, but not essential.

I'm probably in an easy DIVIV, but I just ran through it in first place and have the league's #1 defense.

PG: 11OD/5ID
SG: 7/3
SF: 9/7
PF: 5/11
C: 3/11

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189480.11 in reply to 189480.7
Date: 7/12/2011 9:01:51 PM
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My theory is that defense is cheaper and more reliable than spending all that cash just for your offense to have an off-night. Any great offense can win games but usually the champions are teams that bring the great defense. It goes without saying, and I know it sounds cliche, but offense wins games, but defense wins championships. However, above all else, it's better to field a team that is cohesive offensively and defensively because whenever one has an off-night, the other needs to step up.

My opinion is that it never hurts to field a defensive team. In the world of BB, it's cheaper to build around defense first followed up with complimenting that defense with offensive skills.

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189480.12 in reply to 189480.11
Date: 7/12/2011 9:08:02 PM
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Yeah? And if a bad offense has an off night? You still wont win.

I beat a team that whores OD(typical BB stategy) 64 to 49 and they crunched me earlier in the season.

The only thing that stacking defense like that does is make your opponent score less points. It doesn't help you win when you can't score yourself.

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189480.13 in reply to 189480.12
Date: 7/12/2011 9:11:28 PM
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Defense leads to offense. Turnovers and steals get your team possesion and can lead to easy baskets on the fast break.

Last edited by Mike Rice at 7/12/2011 9:11:39 PM

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189480.14 in reply to 189480.13
Date: 7/12/2011 9:14:55 PM
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There's really not much fast break mechanics in this game unfortunately, and that's evidenced by the play by play.

So that argument is kind of moot though it is true in reality.

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189480.15 in reply to 189480.14
Date: 7/12/2011 9:17:30 PM
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Either way steals do lead to posession which gives you more offensive opportunities.

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189480.16 in reply to 189480.8
Date: 7/12/2011 9:18:56 PM
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Uh. Highest PF =/= best offense.


You have probably the best offense. In the game you played you were .5 lower than his OS despite playing a neutral offense.

Plus the ridiculous rebounding.


So in the end, if and when you win your league, the best offensive team still won.

Last edited by Bigcatjc at 7/12/2011 9:20:05 PM

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189480.17 in reply to 189480.14
Date: 7/12/2011 9:24:24 PM
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i promise you I will stop you from scoring then if I miss on my end I will get the O-rebound and put it back in.

A team like you are talking about if you were in my div 3 i woulda beat you to death. I am not talking about having 15 def and 7 JS. But if you have 12 - 13 def and 12 js or is you are pretty good. you do have to have a well rounded team. also your team has to feed off one another. if you have good inside scorers and crappy passing your inside will never score.

I want my team to have the fundamentals like i said previously. Def, handling,passing and rebounding. I can tell when the game engine is running and it says so and so passed to your other guy as he was driving to the basked I know before I read it all if he scored or not by who passed him the ball.

Great thing about this game is there are a lot of ways to win so do what you want and have fun doing it.

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189480.18 in reply to 189480.10
Date: 7/12/2011 9:24:32 PM
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I agree those numbers earlier in the thread are really high. Sure, it would be great, but not essential.

I'm probably in an easy DIVIV, but I just ran through it in first place and have the league's #1 defense.

PG: 11OD/5ID
SG: 7/3
SF: 9/7
PF: 5/11
C: 3/11



I don't mean to be rude, but you are going to be absolutely crushed in D3 with those defensive ratings. And your SG should be your best perimeter defender, not the worst in the backcourt.

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189480.19 in reply to 189480.17
Date: 7/12/2011 9:31:03 PM
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Yeah passing and rebounding are apart of offense?

What do you think, I'm talking about power training JS and running Motion every game?


My criticism is against guys who train Pressure every week and have no offense whatsoever.

Of course it is important to build a balanced team. But I definitely am going to make sure my PG has 14 or so passing, my guard can shoot the ball when facing a zone, and my SF/PF/C are all around beasts at rebounding, IS, driving and passing before I worry about getting the entire backcourts OD to 16 or so while they all have 7 JS and 5 JR and can't pass worth a lick.

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