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189861.9 in reply to 189861.8
Date: 7/17/2011 11:41:09 PM
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Good answers. I'm mainly asking because I need help defensively but I would hate to have to lose some offense for it.

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Date: 7/18/2011 8:14:50 PM
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Well....Melo isn't nearly as useless on defense as people make him seem.

So it's not like he'd be a total liability out there. In fact I wouldn't even rate Melo's D at below average, he just has higher expectations as a superstar player to perform at that level on both ends, which he doesn't always do.

That said, how bad could a player with 20 JS and decent rebounding be?

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Date: 7/18/2011 9:02:26 PM
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Melo is definitely not useless on defense, but I still say Melo's D is below average due to a gross lack of consistency. When he plays man defense, he often allows for his man to roam fairly freely to whatever spot on the court he chooses. When playing on ball defense, he often allows good shooters too much space, inflating the opposition's shooting percentage. In a zone, Melo is normally a big liability, seemingly forgetful of where his zone should be or indecisive on which man he should body up. He's also suspect on switching his mark with teammates, normally left in the dust on pick and rolls. He has the tools to be a hard nosed defender, but with the expectations for him to perform on offense, I'm sure he struggles to muster enough legs to play immaculate defense the entire game through. #7 is one of my favorite players, but that dude just doesn't have the constant vigilance on the defensive side of the ball to be considered an elite defender in my opinion (for all that matters) as of yet.

I wish I had a player that I could call a Carmelo Anthony clone for sheer entertainment (imagine if you had a Melo player playing in a Patient offense), but I feel like an Artest (don't forget he can spot up shoot respectably) would help me win a championship. I like the versatility a well balanced and talented defensive player offers in this game a lot because week to week, you'll know that he will be effective at slowing down whichever player you want him to at several positions. I hate being hung out to dry when I scout an opponent and he has a big who can shoot further out and I don't have a big that can cover him on both the outside and the inside. Being able to stay in M2M defense, from what I've gathered from forum study is a huge plus in limiting the opposing AI coach's in-game adjustments, and having a player who can guard multiple positions helps keep you able to play that way.

I wish I was in a better league so I'd have more credibility. :P




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189861.13 in reply to 189861.11
Date: 7/18/2011 10:53:11 PM
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1. He is useless on defense that's why he plays in New York now and I'm not saying he can't play defense, he just won't play it Two are we under the assumption that Ron Artest is bad on offense? Because last time I checked he was a pretty good shooter and in his prime he could take it to the rim. Maby shane battier would be a better player to use in this case.

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189861.14 in reply to 189861.11
Date: 7/19/2011 2:31:55 AM
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Well....Melo isn't nearly as useless on defense as people make him seem.

So it's not like he'd be a total liability out there. In fact I wouldn't even rate Melo's D at below average, he just has higher expectations as a superstar player to perform at that level on both ends, which he doesn't always do.

That said, how bad could a player with 20 JS and decent rebounding be?


you are right, but when you say melo type of player the people understand it, Artest had also a nearly MVP like season with 20+ points per game so he isn't also such a pure defender - but when you say it you understand it like that.
Maybe i could have said Jimmer type player and correct him to Ben Wallace, but Jimmmer is already a star in the US but most people don't know him that good outside of it i believe,

Also i expect the NBA to give defensiv qualites a higher rating then the basic offensiv one, which should be the same like here in my eyes. If you get a great offensiv player he should have at least a solid defence, but you could put him a great defender without a solid offence.

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Date: 7/19/2011 11:10:15 AM
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Ok what I mean is should I start a guy who won't do anything on offense but can shut down the best player on defense?

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Date: 7/19/2011 1:29:23 PM
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If he has no offensive game make sure he has good passing and handling this way he won't be forced to take bad shots. I'd say you should have a bench player or something who can come in on the best player and shut him down.

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Date: 7/20/2011 2:07:31 AM
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I believe it works the tsv bogen played long time with od only guuards quite succesful, with the new ge he started to improve the passing as stated before but even without it he still played quite well. Now a days his dudes also have a decent till average shot - so dudes who could it all a better but specialist are cheaper and much earlier ready for the league.