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You leave out a lot of details. My 23y old SG didn't pop for four straight weeks in JR, so what? He's not that young, 193cm tall and JR trains slowly.

How tall is the player? We also need to know what are his inside skills to see if there's any negative elastic effect there. What trainer are you using? Are you doing 1 or 2 position training? You can't just say "5 trainings for a pop!" without any details except for his age. 25 trains pretty slow.

6' 10"
Inside shot - Proficient
Inside Def - Proficient
Rebound - Prominent
Shot Block - Strong

There should be no negative elastic effect. My trainer is one below the highest level. 2 position training. Sorry for leaving out the details.

If I increase capacity I have to lower prices to fill the seats. Net effect = ZERO (Thanks for the great help, you are brilliant!)

Based on experience the net effect is some small positive number. However, I think there is a soft cap of 20000 seats so you just need to find the best price and capacity combination. :)

The attendance boost for newly promoted teams is real and substantial. It's not a guarantee of selling every single seat at any given price, but you can certainly improve your attendance income significantly when you promote. But the game does require you to sell 10000 seats in a 6000 seat stadium, nor does it automatically resize the arena when you promote.

I haven't been blessed with this "substantial" boost. Am I making more money than my prior division? Yes, but it isn't significant. I make the playoffs yearly and I am middle of the road or just below the league average for game income. When I increase capacity I have to reduce ticket prices to fill the seats. The net effect is zero or not much gain. I would have thought after the bump it would have been "substantial" and I certainly thought after making the playoffs on an annual basis I'd have no problem filling my small stadium and being able to expand. No reason to expand if you can't fill the seats. I have lowered my prices since division V. That makes no sense. That would be like a AAA teams ticket prices being less then the bigs - that doesn't happen.

In my crazy mind it would make more sense when I bump up that whatever I was selling my tickets for in Division V that I would be able to get let's say 20% more in the higher division. (That is less than baseball in real life for instance.) I would also have thought that I'd be able to expand aggressively and still make the 20% increase up to a certain seat count in expansion. So for instance let's say I have 6k seats in V, move up, increase ticket prices by 20% and then expand by another 2k without a problem selling tickets. From that point it would depend on results to sell more at the same price. Some scenario like this is what I am talking about.

Thanks for your feedback.

Based on experience the net effect is some small positive number. However, I think there is a soft cap of 20000 seats so you just need to find the best price and capacity combination.

I am trying but it seems that making the playoffs doesn't matter much to my fans so as I increase seats I have to lower my prices. I am working on it though. Thanks for the feedback!

You are doing 2-position training. Its' speed is 60-70% of one-position, so you shouldn't wonder why does it take 5 weeks.

3) My product is a playoff contendor year in and year out and I made more money from jersey/concession sales when I was in a lower division. That makes NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER!! Tell me how that works!

Fans in this game are racists. If you have no/few natives on your roster they will punish you by buying less merchandise.

I have three foreign NT players on my roster and still make around 30% less merchandise than league average.

1. Training. Your training example sounds really slow to me. Did he have full 48 min week in week out and what's his potential? These are the only reasons I can think of. By the way, you certainly don't need lv6 trainer at your level. They are for national team trainers or div I/II. lv 4 or 5 gives you more bang for you buck. I would get a 12k-15k salary lv 4 trainer (no special skill) if I were you.

2. Arena. Many players agree expanding arena up 20k pays out in the long term. Your arena is way too small. Start from the cheapest seat and then slowly add the more expensive ones when you move up. Unless you want to buy old/high salary players to storm your league and move up quickly. You should think long term.

3. Income. Try to win tv/rival/games before your home games and match your prices as you expand your arena. You will be rewarded if you get the ticket prices right. I think you are lucky that your team is born in US. You are blessed with a good choice of your countrymen. It should be very easy for you to maintain a roster of US players only and I am sure your merchandise will get a big boost. Even better if you keep your drafts and train them.

I think you should focus on training either guard/big men and buy those positions you do not train - they should have little training value, cheap and high salary (among your team). Then you should buy young trainees when the season starts. They are dirt cheap at that time. Try to get some bargains with good secondaries and potential that match you. If you do 2 position training, then you won't ever need pot 8 or higher. Don't waste your money on them. I personally recommend 1 position training with high potential. But don't ever pay big money for them. You are not there yet. Avoid those with high pot and 20 yo or higher. There is a very good chance you won't ever train them up to their pot. If they are well trained, you can't afford them yet. I got a pot 8 and 18 yo for 11k at season start. You might do the same. I would get 3 of them and get them trained 48 min every week. After getting the veterans and trainees, the rest of your money should go to your arena. There should be nowhere else to spend money and if you get these things right you should maintain a profit every week. Hope it helps.

Last edited by 7ton at 2/26/2012 4:19:20 AM

1. Training. Your training example sounds really slow to me. Did he have full 48 min week in week out and what's his potential? These are the only reasons I can think of. By the way, you certainly don't need lv6 trainer at your level. They are for national team trainers or div I/II. lv 4 or 5 gives you more bang for you buck. I would get a 12k-15k salary lv 4 trainer (no special skill) if I were you.

He is doing two-position training for his 25y old...nothing weird here.

The attendance boost for newly promoted teams is real and substantial. It's not a guarantee of selling every single seat at any given price, but you can certainly improve your attendance income significantly when you promote. But the game does require you to sell 10000 seats in a 6000 seat stadium, nor does it automatically resize the arena when you promote.

I haven't been blessed with this "substantial" boost. Am I making more money than my prior division? Yes, but it isn't significant. I make the playoffs yearly and I am middle of the road or just below the league average for game income. When I increase capacity I have to reduce ticket prices to fill the seats. The net effect is zero or not much gain. I would have thought after the bump it would have been "substantial" and I certainly thought after making the playoffs on an annual basis I'd have no problem filling my small stadium and being able to expand. No reason to expand if you can't fill the seats. I have lowered my prices since division V. That makes no sense. That would be like a AAA teams ticket prices being less then the bigs - that doesn't happen.

In my crazy mind it would make more sense when I bump up that whatever I was selling my tickets for in Division V that I would be able to get let's say 20% more in the higher division. (That is less than baseball in real life for instance.) I would also have thought that I'd be able to expand aggressively and still make the 20% increase up to a certain seat count in expansion. So for instance let's say I have 6k seats in V, move up, increase ticket prices by 20% and then expand by another 2k without a problem selling tickets. From that point it would depend on results to sell more at the same price. Some scenario like this is what I am talking about.

Thanks for your feedback.

My own team promoted, expanded the arena by 2,500 seats or more since promotion, and I'm making $60K more per week just on ticket sales. And I upped my ticket prices from V to IV and I've sold every ticket so far this season. Not one empty seat in the house all season.

Same here. I promoted, increased all my prices to max, and I'm selling out. I'm making 150k more a week from attendance alone than I was making last season.

I'm not privy to what your ticket prices have been in the past, but it seems you could expand your stadium, certainly in the bleachers and lower tier seats at least. You're coming very close to selling out every game, especially in those two sections, which means probably that there's room for growth. The fans won't fill the seats up overnight, but continued success and promotion will eventually grow your fanbase. A good reference point to consider is the arenas and attendance of other teams in your conference- you've a better side than Southsound Sentinels, but they draw more fans than you because they have a bigger stadium, and even though their ticket prices are lower, they're still at a higher per-game profit.

One of the things you have to consider is that you can't see the benefits of continuing to win games if your arena isn't big enough. If you build it, fans will sit in those seats eventually. I realize everyone in the thread is being a bit condescending, but there's some wisdom here. I'd also say that your ticket prices can only sell so high at each level- the benefits you're likely to see from promoting and winning are likely that you'll get more fans willing to buy $10-11 tickets, not that your current fans will be willing to spend much more on the ticket prices you previously had in place... heck, I'm 3 levels higher than your team and I struggle to sell above 90% of my stadium without near maximum prices, and I've been in the playoffs for multiple seasons now.