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I don't think the transfer list is that daunting a tool for a new team to grasp. i think talent development is far more scary for the untrained person.

I often tell anyone who asks me for advice and/or basic mentoring that they should ignore the listed market value for a player. I suggest that they keep an eye open at all times for any talent, but at the end of the day that there are reasons for why a veteran is cheaper in the middle of the season than at the start or right before the playoff deadline. Additionally, i explain that a loss in potential pops in the age 18 year for talent causes several higher division teams to begin ignoring certain young talents in the development portion of the TL, and therefore the later the season goes on the more likely a developmental talent comes along that is affordable to even a D.5 team and can make an impact through division 3. This advice also includes NEVER putting a position in the TL box (because you can do it more on height or on specific qualifiers in certain parts of the players game, and you'll not miss out on that 6'2" SF that has inside secondaries worth your while and a good starting point on the outside that will only get better).

Teaching a new player the TL, whether you're a talent development enthusiast or a fast veteran climber type, is typically where i start. Game shape and lineup strats are helpful too.

I could easily just sell 3 of my players (lets say Yuce Bekdemer, Runyon, and Metcalf), and end up close to even. Whether or not i sit at -1m or even or +1m is only a signal of whether or not i'm spending time trying to play the market, which has less to do with direct amounts of cash spent and more to do with salary. I'd gladly not play the market, where i would have to make at least 30k per investment in a 1 month turnover to overcome the salary cost incurred to take them on.

a good poster just lost a ton of respect.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/5/2012 7:29:12 PM

spewing advice on the market? no. I suggest to you that i watch what the market and pointed out that right now is a good time to buy 18 year olds, and posted the two i bought.

You then made another half-true statement, and i tried to correct you again by pointing out that it shouldn't be over someones head to read the fluxuations in the market.

Whether or not someone chooses to try and play the market and turn a profit is their call. Apparently you've decided to go on a near half page post of flaming episode now that i've suggesting things you've said that are untrue, and targeted the fact that i decide not to buy 30 players and sell 10 while cutting the 20 1k players like you as the reason why i am clueless to how the transfer list market fluxuates, which is all i was saying to begin with.

"I bought a 300k salary player for 150k and sold him for 450k a 9 days later and only paid his salary once. After my fees I lost maybe 50k. At my level its nothing." I really hope you typo'd this statement.

"The EXACT opposite is true for some users, even in the lower divisions. What I said holds true, new users, like you, are dismayed and befuddled by the market~ leeching over 1million in losses on transfers over the course of 4 seasons." Again, where are you getting that i've leeched 1million in losses when i'm on the verge of promoting twice? The guy in front of me lost 1mil on the transfer market too even though he's far and away going to promote this season. I guess because you started in a country where you almost got to D.I for free you must think that promoting means nothing.

As i said, you don't have much respect at all after this episode. Please stop flaming someone on the forums when you really have no reason to be doing so.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/5/2012 8:32:55 PM

Best to just avoid commenting on anything regarding the TL. Just read someone's question, hold your tongue, and wait for Wolph to answer. Because, well, he knows everything.

He would nitpick parts of his own posts (with the name omitted) on his best day.

Sometimes however just addidng and subtracting a team's transfers
doesn't give one a total sense of that teams worth or success.
For instance:
In your position the competition for your spot is minimal
in other countries sometimes one must take a loss on players in order to take a shot at promotion
following that run, those salaries become a bit much to handle.
Also:
The difference between how much someone has bought and sold might lie
in the roster they have built and currently own.

I didn't imply a micro-nation was devaluing your knowledge of the market. I implied that being in a micro-nation devalued your valuation on promoting from D.V to being 2nd in line for D.III as things stand right now (i have ranked #6 and #8 teams, neither that have a real team, while the other two near me have to face the 20-0 monster that has also lost 1mil to promote twice).

I didn't imply that it should be easy for a new player to play the market. What i have been implying from the start is it is not hard to understand the fluctuation in value in the market. Period. And that's the truth. It took me one season, my first season, to realize that i could've gotten two players at smaller price points than i did. I still won with some of those same players when i promoted. I put that promotion value as greater than zero. If i promote twice at the cost of 250k a season in transfer loses, i'm not that displeased with how things have worked out for me.

You need to do a better job of reading into what i said, and where i disagreed with you, and worry less about mistakes that i made a while ago.

Lets go to those 18 year olds that are 19 in two weeks. If i sell that at age 19, incur a profit of probably 75k on both players. Thats a low end guess from me, i think runyon probably sells at 160-180k once i train him over the remaining 3 weeks I plan to have, and i think Yuce sells for 325-350k. Thats not a sizable margin for me, so i'm not going to do it. I'm probably going to keep training Yuce long term until he's 24 or 25, use him as a D.III guard (his secondaries make him look like an inside player, you as a TL ace probably realize that i picked up a guy with secondaries in hopes of getting his primaries trained without having to touch his secondaries more than once or twice the rest of the way). I might sell him when he's 28 or 29 for 1M+ instead. I wont make a profit on the TL, so it wont look pretty to you, but that in no way means that i wasted that price point, it means i decided to keep something i developed. Same with Metcalf. Runyon is the one along for the ride, i might sell him sooner or later depending on the drafted players. I spend roughly 10k a week on draft scouting right now.

Headless T Gunner went ahead and told you what i feel about measuring a managers performance based on the transfer market gains and losses.

I'm clearly not worth my weight in terms of being a full blown mentor to anybody. Never want to claim something that i haven't done yet. Thats why i said that i provide 'basic' mentoring. I send anyone who wants basic advice some general information, and some general traps newer gm's including myself at one point fell into. I want to make sure that they dont waste a season. And at the end of the day, how someone else chooses to run their team is their own choice, i don't want to mentor them into a direct way of thinking. I just want to do something that wasn't done for me, which was getting them over the basic hurdles, and then allow them to play how they see fit. And thats where i feel you are unfairly flaming me by telling me i have no right to be giving advice to anyone based on one component of how i've played the first 4 seasons.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/5/2012 10:36:25 PM

Mmmmmmmmm, pudding.

Seriously tho, if I were to give advice, you would just come back with something about my transfer balance. (Which, minus my three latest additions to beef up my beefy team, was just fine considering I haven't sold a player I've trained yet)

But, I do know a thing or two about the TL.

(edit: advice not advise, silly me)

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 11/5/2012 10:48:01 PM