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245349.9 in reply to 245349.7
Date: 7/11/2013 8:21:41 AM
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the does ball get fed to a guy with good inside shooting. my pf has high is and high os. he was getting 35-40ppg+ some games.. then when I bought better shooters he still would get 16- 20ppg with about 12 rb now with sb he is adding 3-5 blocks a game.
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A guy with good outside shooting being guarded most likely by a crappy OD big man is naturally going to almost always be the best JS/OS matchup and so would get the ball a ton in a patient. If he was a 2JS/2JR guy, he would get a fraction of the shots he'd get otherwise.

patient is finding a weakness anywhere on the floor not the just with your best jump shooter, it my seem that way but since i trained a lot of players , I have seen how it goes to anyone, I know the skill to have..


It's not necessarily the best jump shooter. It's the one with the best mismatch. But it is absolutely the jump shooting - if you play a big man with no JS/JR but very good IS at SG in a patient, despite having an absolute mismatch (or weakness if you prefer that), he won't get fed the ball. But a guard at C? Well, he'll launch shot after shot.

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Date: 7/11/2013 2:18:23 PM
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When considering the effectiveness of box and one defenses I think you should start by looking at your opponents roster rather than their tactics. Against a team with one stud player that does most of the scoring a box and one can be effective against a variety of offensive tactics, but against a team with a balanced roster, there is almost always a better defensive tactic to choose.

Inside box and one could be effective against an unbalanced roster if the team runs LI, LP, II, BO, or PTB
Outside box and one could be effective against an unbalanced roster if the team plays BO, PTB, or OI

For two reasons, I think inside box and one is more effective against inside players than outside box and one is against outside players . One, a good outside shooter may have the range to shoot over the defensive box, in which case the defense won't be any more effective than man to man. In contrast, an inside player does most of his scoring in the paint and will have multiple players trying to stop him (similar to 2-3, but with one player dedicated to shutting him down). Two, outside players tend to have higher passing skills which means it is more likely that they will be able to find another open shooter for an easy basket.

I think box and one is least effective against run and gun, patient, motion, and princeton, because these offenses are best suited to exploit one or both of the two weaknesses of box and one mentioned above (passing and jump range).

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Date: 7/11/2013 9:46:31 PM
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I don't know for certain. but inside shooting is a form of jump shooting in a way, it just not from much range. Please correct me if im wrong.

if I play patient and the best player is center during the game then he will get the ball a lot, regardless of jr/js. its abut the mis-match of skills. I have had my center get most point plenty of times, in my current league, his jr/js is nothing to get excited about. bx1 is a good defense but I think with the right team playing it it cn be effective, but I learned you need that exact skill on the bench as well to actually run it,, the offense tactic should be one that puts mass points on the board.

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Date: 7/12/2013 2:44:32 PM
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I must back up hrudey on this point.
The best outside shooter gets the ridiculous bulk of the shots.
It was the offense of choice in D4 for me just so that I could see my player I developed have MJ type numbers. ... he was the best shooter.
Weather I put him at the 1, 2 or 3 spot. I too have seen just last season a team put their best shooter at the center spot. .... he got the most touches by far.

That is the Patient offense you see today, but I have seen with one organization the true way the Patient offense was to be played in which you speak of . ... everyone had near or the same skill set because everyone has around the same about of shots and points.
1980s Boston Celtics at its best.

The team was the Allied Precision Gunmen.... he had a very good team seasons ago in D3 when I saw him last. . He no longer plays.

Last edited by BarryS at 7/12/2013 2:47:29 PM