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As far as players and money. Wins equal money and seats don't win games.

I hadn't thought about staffing (was putting it off for a season or two until I went after an upgrade at Trainer) but I found an advanced PR for less salary then my current Basic on, so I'll get to see if that helps with my arena issue.

Seats would be great but financial its a terrible decision. Say I have another player injuried and I really need to purchase a player, but cannot cause all my money is in seats that aren't being sold. It's just dead money. I still haven't paid of my last renovation. And as far as "the future" if I don't ever move up to DII the ~240k I was making is about the max DIII arenas bring in. (I could up my prices a bit more with an optimal fan survey as well) but more seats mean lowering prices and as I said, seats don't win games.

I'm fine with injuries, I just wish I got a time frame on them this 8-20 days for a 2 week injuries is kinda bogus. I get that its more realistic but in reality players have contracts that are based on performance, not attributes. But whatever.

Tactics... well, I have my team in good position for that. The trouble is that it is going to get far more predictable with a big time scorer in the middle. Wins games, I can.. the league I don't that.

The 1st part your really wrong there. Seats = money regardless if u win or lose. If your going to lose why not get paid for it. If you want to get paid build the seats. No seats =no money . You can win every game up to b3 but if you don't you have the seats in the correct amounts, you wont have a lot of money that you could have had. doing earlier is very, very much cheaper, It does not matter if they sell out in lower leagues,you can pay them off faster when you obtain 3, 2 nbba you making surplus on those seats then. No need to do any building seats. Those seats are covered pretty much.

Arena seats is your 1st form of income and best form of income on BB(safest aswell). I understand market and all that.But please know Players are getting better and better everyday on BB so what you had yesterday might not be good enough when you try to sell it next week. Im not your players directly, Im just making valid point this applies to all teams even mines.. Market is second form of income.

Im just saying it would be wise to do when things mellow out, think about it when the time comes. If want get more players then that's your choice. Nothing wrong with tha.t But to neglect seats for player over all is not a wise move.


Btw I have made 280k a game in low leagues before here since I came back to bb. I have not sniffed 3, 2 nbba division yet again. Why because I took the time to build the seats( arena). Im making a positive 135K$ a game that after I pay for everything. This going on right now. You don't have to win a game, to actually win versus the foe on BB.. Its all about economics sometimes.

Economics you say. Alright.

If I built my bleachers to 14k and should them at $6-7 and they sell out is that better than keeping the 12250 I have (that has not been selling out) and if those sold 11k at $11 (as they were last season or even 10$.... which would be more economical?

This isn't even accounting for the fact that I have to spend money to build the seats.

One of the biggest issues is that people think bigger is better and it's only better when its optimized.

No idea how you think you are making 280k in DiV, it looks like you are making around 170-180k max on your arena right now.

You also make it seem like its a given and a cakewalk to get to the NBBA and making 6 digit profit in DIV is a given, hopefully you decide to try to poromote and see what DIII is about.

I been div#3 before, this is not my 1st team. I had another team worth 150 million in reserves , So yes it about economics. It was cake walk then. Its still a cake walk now in IMO. I just got bored with BB only things keeping me here again is fooling around these tactics none use and trying to get them to work.. Its pretty fun this way than the other way. If I win or lose don't matter now for I have already one it.

Not to be rude or anything, I make more than you a game being one league under you even if was to be in div 3 today I would still make more not to sound arrogant or spiteful.. Why , because your not listening to anything im saying. Listen , the more seats, the more money!!. As far as which one is better in your example above, that depends which one is paid for 1st ticket price and all that don't really matter directly in what you get. Its a lot factors to play here to make it matter.. If your in div 3 with 14k seats that's still very low. should be done with area seats while in div 3, you should not have do any seats while in div 2. Its not cost effective to do seats in every league you go too., Its losing money.

Building bleacher alone is not healthy period, having a good arena is based good ratio of seats in all areas of arena. The faster you do this the money you make period on BB. Its a simple concept of make 100 cakes for less and sell 100 cake for more profit rather than make 25 cakes and do this 4 times and make less profit. Because you have buy the ingredents each time, three 25 times.

Again please understand it doesn't matter directly if your in level 4 and not selling seats out. It still more money than what you get in div 4 which increase every level of play you go to create arena income( because you don't have to do seat any more, they paid for or pay for themselves ). You can build them and pay them easier in div4 , than div 3 and etc. If build in div 2 , 1.5 million in seats you wont get your money worth for very long time, if ever.. To many other things going on, arena shouldn't not be on the to do list.

My team this season so far in come
Total: $ 259 229
Typical Weekly Net Income: $ 133 347

At one point in another league I was getting/making 280K and bringing in 150k.


So in 7-11 games or less I made over 1 million. So in your league I would make 1 million+ in about 5-7 games give or take. Why because I have the seats, it doesn't matter if sell them all out or I win or lose I will always profit more. Its hard to get every factor in your favor on BB to sell out in seats so sometime I will make less . As long it correct in ratios more than the foe had made for his arena is all that matter. Its long term economics.

Winning increase people to come to games yes, How much I do not know. There for I'm not going to gamble on that scenario to many factors playing that hand. Im going go for what I know and I know I can still get a few extra fans if I build the seats in correct ratios regardless. !100-500$ extra in fans in a 3500 empty seats arena is still good profit. Because the next man don't have those seats nor the right ratios. So he doesn't get that profit. Theres a seat cap on Bb, also seats are damn well very expensive and its so many factors to decide that Like seat ratios., So its all fair game.>> "Minimize cost early to maximize profit late"<tip

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 2/10/2015 1:04:13 AM

I understand your rationalizing cost analysis for the purchase of seats but you are leaving out the benefits of more seats. The more seats you have the lower you can set your prices. Lower prices attract a larger percentage of the population, it becomes affordable for lower income families.

Say you have a moderate fan survey. You have 1000 bleachers priced at 10 bucks each. 900 people attend the game at that price. You make 9000 bucks. However, 1150 fans would have been willing to pay 9 bucks for those seats. You would have made 1350 dollars more with more cheaper seats. These are just small simple numbers but easy to see the concept. BB absolutely works this way. I have a fairly well built arena. I wish I had built more lower tier and fewer bleachers but it is a pretty nice arena. I pulled in 375k my last home game and 372k the game prior. I would venture to say this is near the top in the division I play.

It cost millions to get my arena to where it is and it doesn't ever pay out dollar for dollar, but what it does do is allow me to have a much higher operating budget on a week to week basis. I have one of the larger payrolls in my league but I am still making decent coin weekly not including the cup.

Lower tier seats are less affected by a recent loss or a ding to your survey than bleachers. A larger arena with lower prices make the attendance swings more moderate on a week to week basis than a small high cost arena. A larger arena just makes day to day, week to week operations more manageable and gives you a financial advantage when you are truly competing.

These are my thoughts and they are based off experience. If you don't invest more in arena, eventually you are throwing your money away. Good luck in which ever course you take.

Last edited by Yuck at 2/10/2015 3:19:26 AM

I understand your rationalizing cost analysis for the purchase of seats but you are leaving out the benefits of more seats. The more seats you have the lower you can set your prices. Lower prices attract a larger percentage of the population, it becomes affordable for lower income families.

Your arena is one of the ones I'm aiming to build mine like actually.

No, my fan survey is terrible. I drew the best team for my TV games (1 ball). 10 wins and making it to the sweet 16 in the US Tourney got me a ball and a half for last season success and if I don't beat my rival tonight that's 1 ball too. Transfers is at 2 balls. Hopefully my better (and cheaper) PR staff can help that.

All that said, at any point it gets ineffective cost-wise if you continue building seats. My plan is to build more Courtside and Lower seats with the money I have sitting around, but I can't right causethe seats I have aren't selling. Three seasons since expanding my Lower Tier and I'm still paying them off. Everyone else my not expect to get paid back dollar for for their investment, but they are trying to race to NBBA with no foundation. I will have an arena optimized for my level (hopefully DII) and a pile of money I can send on young trained players that I can find as I move along. I'd rather have 3 million in the bank then to have the "potential" to carry a higher wage build, but that's just my preference I guess.

My 15k arena currently is 9th in overall size in my league but 6th in LT+CS+LB.

Sounds like some bad luck. I understand your points. Just thought I would share my perspective if you hadn't taken a look down that path. Good luck man, its bound to get better.

Welp, decided to scale back to the salary floor and just train and demote then to lose money for 14 weeks.

Also, sold Clausi and he got injured in his first minute with his new team. I would say I made the right decision.