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From: nebi
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Date: 2/16/2015 1:45:14 AM
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Ty everyone.

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Date: 2/16/2015 4:29:55 AM
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in my league the average arena size is around 18k (not counting mine, which is 5,8k). some dudes have arenas larger than 32k. the average income from arena attendance in my league is around 240k. mine will be 180k after my last expansion. my arena is around 32% the size of my league's average arena, but i make 75% of the average income, having spent far far far less on arena expansion. my opponents make 14k/seat, i make 30k/seat. i can make 240k expanding to 7000/1000/150/0, which is a 8150 arena, why on earth should i bury millions of hard earned cash to expand my arena to 20k or similar and make the same money as a 8k arena? anyway, if my opponents prefer to expend their money on non-profitable seats that will never be used instead of buying nice players to compete against my team, well, good for me.

Last edited by LA-Bernspin at 2/16/2015 4:33:14 AM

From: MP5

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Date: 2/16/2015 6:43:21 AM
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OK, this is so wrong I need to show it so that those who don't know better won't be misguided by reading this:

the average income from arena attendance in my league is around 240k. mine will be 180k after my last expansion.

That's nice, that means the average income is around 244k without yours bringing it down. That's an extra 64k/week in profit - on average - your rivals are banking. Now consider that the teams that are above average are getting even more than that. Yeah.

Dollars per seat is a useless statistic in a long-term game such as this, because there is no maintenance fee for upkeep of the seats. Every extra seat sold is profit.

i can make 240k expanding to 7000/1000/150/0, which is a 8150 arena, why on earth should i bury millions of hard earned cash to expand my arena to 20k or similar and make the same money as a 8k arena?


This is plain wrong. Don't believe me? Go check out the Arena for the #1 team from your Blue conference in your division. He's spent the money to build a 14k arena, but made the stupid decision to set his ticket prices to max. Guess how much money he made last home game? 218k. And that's with a way bigger arena than your proposed 8k, and with his team winning more games than you. Fortunately for him, he seems to have realised his mistake, and lowered his ticket prices. Not by enough, but it should be an improvement anyway.

You're selling about all you can sell with your ticket prices maxed out. Each extra seat you add won't sell after a point, and yes your profit will be maximised. Until you learn to set adequate seat prices, you will never maximise your profit, and never reach your team's full potential.

To be the best, you must beat the best. Rather than comparing yourself to the average (and still finding that you fall short!), why don't we compare against some of the better teams from your league:

São Paulo Seekers made 287k in ticket sales last game, from a reasonable 14k arena (that guy should put some more LT in though, quick! And fix his prices, and his income will greatly increase).
Moikanos made 170k last home game in bleacher sales alone. So his bleachers is almost as good as your whole arena.
And even Mr. 32k arena - he made a whopping 348k last home game!

You're giving up anything from 107k-168k to two other teams in your league - per week - that they can then spend on better players and bigger salaries. Your weekly budget won't add up to a decent team unless you can first afford to pay for these players by selling seats.

To anyone still listening, take the advice of nearly every manager who bothers to read these forums and offer it - and invest in your arena. It will pay off big dividends in the long run - its why my team averages around 370k in gate receipts, and why I'm one of the most successful D2 teams in a decent country such as Australia (still aiming to make it to the top!)

From: LA-Bernspin

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Date: 2/16/2015 8:06:24 AM
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oh, yeah, i was utterly wrong about the average arena attendance of my division. apologise for the basic mistake.

maybe i'll make a few more in my next lines. you are very welcome to point them out again, though.

i see you have a 20,050 arena. as far as i could figure, you spent 9,350,000 to expand it to the current point. last match you made $383,135. your arena wasn't full, even if you ask mere $26 (out of $70) for a bleacher. it was almost full, though, 19,456/20,050. you have a very nice fanbase to manage to get 19,456 people to your matches.

anyway, a guy who had an arena with 10,286 seats distributed as 8000/2000/270/16 and charging full price for the tickets would make $379,600, which is pretty much the same as you make with your 20,050 arena and current prices. the guy would have spent $2,396,000 to expand his arena, though.

if i had such a successfull and popular team that could attract 19,000 people to my matches, i would very certainly be able to attract 10,000 of those 19,000 who wouldn't mind paying full price tickets. having spent 7,000,000 less. but maybe i'm wrong.

From: MP5

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Date: 2/16/2015 12:13:49 PM
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As Sentinel and Lemonshine have pointed out, you are correct - if you can sell that many seats at max prices.
Which you can't.
I even showed you that with an example from your own league, with a 6-1 record and on top of his conference. 218k he managed.

An extra 150k/game = 1.65M over the course of a season. What you do with that (buy better players, promote, win promotion bonuses, fill more seats at a higher price in a higher div, make more money etc etc) is up to you.

From: LA-Bernspin

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Date: 2/16/2015 4:48:15 PM
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ok, let's assume I'm overestimating the audience for div II. anyway, if you spend 7kk to build a 20k arena in order to get a profit of 1,5kk comparing to the dude who hasn't spent anything, this means that you will get your investment back in around 5 seasons! the other dude in the meantime could have spent the same 7kk on players and got much better results, prizes and extra $ rewards, not to talk about the fun!

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