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I think your DII stats are great - 4 players over 40% and the rest around 30. I'd rather compare sub-divisions in BB to NCAA top 8 divisions and then your numbers look great. My previous NBA example was just related to the best of the BBs.

Your point about increasing efficiency in the NBA (I don't buy it but ESPN does so yeah) lends support to my point - either you build a team that creates really strong mismatches and collapsing defenses (kick-outs to 3pt specialist) or teams with more than 2-3 strong outside shooters.

I am just arguing because it is stupid that the forum always guides people away from outside shooters without any real evidence that a strong outside line-up + tactic wouldn't work great today.

Last edited by Randy Maus at 9/13/2015 12:33:11 PM

fist and foremost you are comparing nba players who face alot of attention whenever they are on the floor. be it in sabermetric terms "gravity" the fact that they hit so many trees guarded as primary options means they can hit much more while being guarded by lesser players, as is the case in BB.

but to counter your point

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

RK PLAYER TEAM GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Luke Babbitt, SF NO 63 4.1 0.9 2 59 115 .513 33 77 .429 1.33 .633
2 Kyle Korver, SG ATL 75 12.1 2.9 6 221 449 .492 71 151 .470 1.52 .671
3 Eric Gordon, SG NO 61 13.4 2.3 5 141 315 .448 144 379 .380 1.18 .512
4 Stephen Curry, PGGS 80 23.8 3.6 8 286 646 .443 367 695 .528 1.42 .594
6 J.J. Redick, SG LAC 78 16.4 2.6 6 200 458 .437 247 480 .515 1.36 .583
7 Anthony Morrow, SG 74 10.7 1.9 4 141 325 .434 144 290 .497 1.28 .578
8 Hedo Turkoglu, SF 62 3.7 1.0 2 60 139 .432 23 49 .469 1.23 .601
9 Richard Jefferson, SF 74 5.8 0.9 2 66 155 .426 78 169 .462 1.33 .546
10 Danny Green, SG SA 81 11.7 2.4 6 191 457 .418 131 281 .466 1.28 .566
for the season these were the top players. 45% is exagerated but 40% is realistic. and given the small sample size due to number of games in BB i think given circumstance it is more likely to hit 45% because a few lucky shots as opposed to nba standardards where the atempt hundred of throws per season.

If I could put together a team that shoots even 33% from behind the arc I feel like I'd be sitting pretty. That equates to an average of 1 point per shot which would be the same as shooting 50% from field goal range.

I just barely played a game in which I felt my guards out classed the competition. However my team ended up shooting 4-26 on three pointers with 3 of the 4 made shots coming from my big men. I think there is something to be said for a team that uses big men to shoot long distance shots.

And it doesn't matter if I play an outside or inside offense, he will still be the main threat because of his skillset.

He averages like 1 three point attempt per game, when you run a LI-offense. That's far from threatening.

he's actually averaging about 5 3pt shots per game, however I must say many teams in D3 and D2 Utopia suck big time in OD.

I'd be interested in having a game against his team when our season's over: we carry roughly the same salary and I have 1x player with 16OD, 1x with 15OD, 2x with 14OD and 2x with 11OD. I think I'd do ok against any outside shooting: in fact I'm allowing 32% FG% and 19% 3Pt% as a team for the season.

To me the key problem of outside offences is the penalty to team rebounding. In outside offences not only you miss more, but also you rebound fewer of those misses. If they removed the penalties to rebounding compared to inside offences it would be already a significant improvement.

Edit: sorry misunderstood the point (LI=few threes). Ignore the first bit.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/14/2015 4:54:41 PM

I put in my lineup early in the week when I have the time to look at it and its a good thing I don't second guess my lineup now. I play motion, look inside, and motion if there are any of my league mates looking in the forum I have to add I play look inside, look inside, and motion.

Well, you paid for that RB didn't you, it's not like it comes for free! The ratings in outside offences are definitely lower, so it stands to reason that in the long run your total rebounds are also lower...unless ratings are meaningless for rebounding :P