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It's far from an impossible goal to reach though.

I can confirm this. (31801722) is better or equal to that build in every skill except JS (a little) and OD (very little) and he started at 47 TSP or so at 18. He also has better inside skills.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/10/2017 6:42:22 AM

Some managers told me that in order for players to not drive to the basket too often, don't train DR high. Both for guards and bigs. Because they will have very little IS. Maybe I can train ball handling for the first time :)

Hello,

is 3-2 also a good option against motion and run and gun if i don't have any players that are particularly good defenders (at least both inside and outside wise)?

First you need to see if you got weaker defenders in any part of your box. A weaker player will be found time after time and used to score against.

Unless it's one of those games where a low skilled PF played at SF still manages to hold great outside shooters to sub-15% because sometimes that just happens.

Thanks for your opinion Falke, I noted them :)

On the other hand, IS only costs, but does it really make a difference on the level you're playing if it's 10 or 8? I'd keep it as low as possible to save salary.

This is true in a vacuum. If the guy will play as C or PF, then IS will help and even 2-3 extra skill points will make a huge difference and he will not be a black hole on offense. More passing is fine, but the problem is to hit the open shots and 10 or less against D1 and good D2 inside defense will not work. Yes it will cost in terms of salary, but so does JS to a lesser extent and I'd take 12-13 IS over 11-12 JS every time.

Even with Jagermeister's build (what was it? 14JS 10JR?) it's debatable if the outside prowess was enough to compensate for 9 IS, you'd need to break down the type of shots he took in each offense and estimate how much the extra JS/JR would contribute to jump shots and 3 pointers. Haek was a black hole on offense and so is Candar and when these players start taking 10, 12, 15 shots because the defense on the rest of the team is good enough then you have a problem.

To me there are 2 cases where the build above could work with even less OD than that:
1) The guy plays C and defends C and has a little more PA. If the rest of the team allows for it he should take very few shots.
2) The guy plays PG and defends PF or C and has a lot more PA. This is actually safer, especially if PA is elite and DR/JS are relatively low. The problem with this is that you need 2 forwards to play SF/PF with good or elite OD and one of them (the one at PF) will also need IS.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/11/2017 6:30:57 AM

The only inside shots I frequently see big men with low IS take in an outside offense, are put backs after offensive rebounds, which sucks because they're wasting the extra possession they just fought for. But in a normal half court possesion I rarely see them take a inside shot.

The problem is not only inside shots those depend on IS and PFs in outside offenses do take quite a lot of shots most of the time.

Elmacca has the best outside oriented team in D1 in England. This is the last game he played with outside offense:(98454461) C and PF took more shots than the guards and 2 3 pointers out of 35 shots. It really depends a lot on the defense.

And yes of course IS on guards is a given. There is nothing worse than a guard with 20 DR and 2-3 IS who will just keep bricking layups or even dunks.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/11/2017 9:20:04 AM

If you want a player to be a scorer he needs drive. No matter if it's inside or outside scoring.
For example your big man you want to build: If you really give him some more JS/JR like I suggested, he can also have 12-13 drive. It won't hurt you.

I couldn't disagree more. I'm quite happy with the outside scoring I receive from my starting guards now that I actually can play them as intended rather than as trainees. They have 11, 9 and 11 driving respectively, and they're all at about 20PPG and 40+% 3FG against good competition. I'd be happier if the engine wasn't designed so that no matter how good you are at outside shooting and how bad you try to be at 2 point shots, you're never going to take even half of your shots behind the arc.

But on the driving thing, I've noticed way too often that when I've had guys with fairly high driving, they'd take a lot of driving shots. Which is fine, if they're also good inside shooters, but if they're not, you'd see a lot of plays where they have a clear path to the hoop, attempt a driving layup and miss. It was especially a thing I noticed in Princeton.