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It is surprising that someone as active in the forums as Alonso has neither taken a position on this issue nor changed his name or number.:

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For someone who is supposed to have a regulatory role as GM/CM, this is pathetic.

You can't dismiss it by saying that it "doesn't show great maturity" when history is denied and ridiculed when the feelings of an entire nation and religion are hurt.

Yes, this is a game, everyone should have fun, so just leave politics, religion and hate out of here.

@alonso: change it!

Last edited by LA-flaterik123 at 8/24/2024 5:57:14 AM

There are some red lines that are not okay to cross, in a game or anywhere else. And Nazism is one of them.

it is absurd that a citizen of Israel thinks it is ok to put the nickname Hitler on one of his players.

I saw Hadolf, did he put the whole H-word as a nickname?

And that he is committing a genocide against the people of Palestine.

I didn't know that Alonso is personally engaging in military warfare against another country.

"coincidence" that the name of the team is doctorkill?!

You're reaching.

So the apology for Nazism HAS TO BE FOUGHT.

True but I don't see how he apologized for nazism or perpetuated Lebensraum propaganda by using that nickname. While I think that his action was too edgy, too poor in taste, and simply inappropriate, I don't see how his actions could possibly reflect an indication of him championing Third Reich sympathies.

So please point to me where he apologizes or condones nazism, and I'll be behind you immediately.


Btw, the amount of jokes I have seen about Alonso's jewishness-, that took it slightly too far in some cases, in both discord and public forums should also be a point of concern for you no? It can also be considered as an apology for nazism no? Where do you draw the line?
If we really have to have a discussion on community guidelines concerning hate crimes and other forms of discriminatory speech, then I hope I will find you in the public forums with the same amount of zeal and enthusiasm, instead of condemning Alonso of a serious (baseless) accusation because of a shit edgy joke he made.

So much shit written that I shouldn't even answer you. But I won't let you accuse me like this.
First you urgently need to attend a grammar class to learn the meaning of the word apology.
Then conveniently you ignore the number 88 in reference to the Nazi salute, the phonetic similarity between "Adolf Hitler" and "Adolf Eitler" and ignore the relationship between all the facts cited. The relationship between them is extremely important to configure an act of apology.

There were so many lucid and responsible comments alerting to the seriousness of the problem, you decided to ignore them all and accuse me of persecuting this unhappy Nazi being.
Again demonstrating all his ignorance!
In BB it is possible to see almost exactly the date that a team was created. So it's easy for you to compare the dates of these fights you mention with the date I became a manager.

I didn't make this post against person A or B.

I did it against an attitude completely out of reality of an online game open to children.

Apology for Nazism is a crime, determined by law!
(I'm from Brazil, my country has this historical responsibility, as well as several other countries on our planet. - correct me if I'm wrong).

First you urgently need to attend a grammar class to learn the meaning of the word apology.

Alrights lets hear it.

But I won't let you accuse me like this.

accuse- to charge with a fault or offense : blame

Please specify what (baseless) accusation I made against you. I highlighted how careful one must be before making hasty conclusions about another persons so called ''personal beliefs'' and immediately jumping the gun to call him an N-word (the other less popular one) infront of a community of 13000 people.

apologist-someone who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something that is typically controversial, unpopular, or subject to criticism

I think there is a big difference between trivializing and being an apologizer for such a thing. Both are bad, but not on the same level. Otherwise, the juidicary system (especially in Germany) would have a hard time filling their prisons with adolescents that carelessly used lingo linked to the bad guys, without harboring sympathies for said ideologies. Guilt by association and faulty syllogisms on your part. Worst of all, good intentioned people like you will end up trivializing said atrocities and the impact it had on the respective communities, by confounding the meaning of the two words.

Then conveniently you ignore the number 88 in reference to the Nazi salute, the phonetic similarity between "Adolf Hitler" and "Adolf Eitler" and ignore the relationship between all the facts cited.

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There were so many lucid and responsible comments alerting to the seriousness of the problem, you decided to ignore them all

Did I? I was unaware that you know how I feel about this issue. On one hand, I should be shocked about the amount of (baseless) assumptions you have about my emotional and cognitive abilities. On the other hand, looking at the amount of personal attacks, circular reasoning, and other rhetorical fallacies you have committed already, I won't even bother to ''speak in the wind'' (German expression).

and accuse me of persecuting this unhappy Nazi being.

Take a deep breath. Read the sentence again. Breathe again. Re-read it once more. If you don't see the problematic essence of that sentence (attribute grammar to name one), then I won't even bother. You're well intentioned, but the logical and cognitive distortions are too much to bear, even for me.

I didn't make this post against person A or B.

I stop here. You have adequate reading and writing skills, but you have demonstrated an ineptitude in understanding the issue at hand. You're deceitful in your argumentation, and worst of all, dishonest towards yourself. If you had started your argument with ''dissemination'' of hate speech or symbols, then we most definitely would have gotten somewhere. And even in such a case, to put dissemination of hate speech on par with ''apologists''.... that's something. Besides... if you're familiar with ''slander or defamation'', then I would be very careful in what I was saying.

If you're truly interested in making a change, contact the BB's. Otherwise, this conversation is redundant, and shot blocking posts give me less existential dread than the calumnious drivel that you re spreading. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll get back to my duolingo classes with optional grammar courses.

P.S. To the ADL, I do not condone any hate crimes, but I also do not condone dishonest discourse.

It's so funny for a person to think they have arguments because they tried to write in a more elaborate way.

You gave a great advice.. for yourself!
Reread your own comment and you will see that it contradicts itself...

Yes, everything mentioned is an apology for Nazism.
You trying to soften actions since being despicable will not make them less despicable.

And yes, you made an accusation against me.
You claimed that I did not take a stand against prejudices suffered by the author of this apology in previous moments.
As if I were purposely accusing this author of something he suffers here in this community.

Which is not true in several ways.
And that was countered by an argument that you would find in less than 5 min of research.

But, as is customary for the extremist right, there is no interest in elucidating facts. You intend to misrepresent them.
(Ext. Right is the expression used in my country to indicate supporters of extremist regimes that discriminate against part of the population)

That is, you were unable to answer the simplest argument of all possible to prove that your claim was wrong. And....
... You keep making mistakes in the linguistic issue, there is no point in reading what is written in the dictionary if you are not able to understand.

You are so frivolous in claiming that I am just trying to cause noise in the forum that this was my last response to you.
I'm done! I am not obliged to keep denying a person who disseminates fake news.
A person who tries to cast doubt on a person's character to defend a supporter of Nazism.

But I make a point of this being my last clarification against a lying allegation made by you:

Obviously, the first action I had was a complaint through BB's legal means.
I brought it to the forum later and only due to the seriousness of the matter.

Making an accusation is something serious, that's why I made this complaint privately and in public.
If you had such an awareness about this, you would have done a minimum of research before coming to talk shit and raise doubts about my character.
That's it, I don't exchange any more words with you.

Reinforcing: Trying to write in a formal way does NOT interfere with the level of the argumentation presented. You failed in this attempt.

I mean, I appreciate Alonso and his dedication to BB, he devotes a lot of his time here, we need people like him in the game but..

Either:

a) Chose to represent professionally and fully embrace his role, where he is part of the staff of this game, and such he also represents the management

b) Give up on any BB role and have fun as a normal player where he can do things like this without anyone bothering him and repercussions (within BB rules).


Having Alonso always associated and embroiled in drama is detrimental to this game, and to the forum experience, I like the guy but I am tired to always have to read some new drama where he is the main piece...

It hardly seems like a reach.

All of that aside: Maybe this highlights a greater issue/need within BB itself on limitation of team names/player nicknames and such to include many things that would be in horrible taste/inappropriate. So that players don't even have this ability to begin with.

If a kid keeps stabbing themselves with a knife, at a certain point teaching the kid knife safety has no merit, and one should just not let them have the knife to begin with.

https://ibb.co/Hxr5Tcx


He has not understood anything

Last edited by carlos88vazquez at 8/25/2024 3:05:51 AM