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First of all, thanks ;)

About 1) ok 300 new fans but why other teams with worst position in championship and out from the cup before me have got more fans than me? This is really strange.

a) Thanks even if linked to the point 1 it sounds more than really strange cause I had a lvl 10 PR all the last season
b) Thanks a lot; I didn't understand if the PR has an influence or if a low PR lvl can give you wrong information, thanks ;)

About 1) ok 300 new fans but why other teams with worst position in championship and out from the cup before me have got more fans than me? This is really strange.

some more matches.
If in an identical situation with you they shouldn't receive more.

But take my team for example: I received ~750 new fans, much more than you. But I started from 1.100 so I had some "reserves". Being in D.II now, I am still one of the weaker teams in terms of STH.

Last season I won the Championship in D.III and had some other good matches. But to me a e.g. 4th place in D.II is the higher achievement and I would be happy to take that for this season. And yes, even though I value that higher, I would probably receive less new fans for that. Because I would no longer be that much below average STH than before and because probably I lost some matches more.

Basically I agree with the system that there is a corridor for each type of division (also for the top), determinatingg how much fans are adequate and possible for a certain division. Otherwise a serial runner-up in division IV would on the long run have more fans than a struggling Top-Division team.

Hey ned,

one more: (40617.549) (from BB-Charles, he read our thoughts).

Worth reading it all, but it already starts with:

"It's probably worth mentioning the skill of your PR guy when trying to look at attendance. Some top teams invest heavily and some do not, and his skill definitely affects the formulas."

Cheers
Pallu

Yes, I've seen thanks a lot Pallu ;)

I've invested 24k/week in the wrong season, now I'll stay with my great PR lvl 1 hoping in a new one with lower salary

=D

let us not get away from the promise of people here,

firstly i was drawn away by the mere people who said they got this and that from a level 10 PR guy.

in truth he needs time to work on his raport, when i newly hired a level 10 guy i wasnt happy with him with the merchandise sells and i tell you even with him around i experience a roller coaster ride in my attendance. meaning it drop really a significant number.

when i hire mine , im already in div 1 and im one of the top teams. only to find a small significant increase in merchandise sales though it struggled ( remember its not maintained ) by around 4.5k - 5k from my normal sales when i havent hired him.

it took me more than a month to see that increase to 50k+++,

now the attendance, the changes made this season was to let it not solely be controlled by how your team run it , meaning if your winning it then your getting more people to come to watch your games but now there is a mix up with the level of PR you got and arena pricing and how you perform. sorry cant provide much details here but hope it helps

if that is so then we cant justify his salary to the work he done directly.

probably the merchandise sales are just his side work not really what he does.

maybe we shouldnt just quantify his work results with monetary terms probably there isnt a maintaining or big change that great that could influence the course of the attendance.

as i said even with the new formula i think if your having losses probably you would still feel the sting in the loss of attendance from game to games

But this is just from now or already last season the PR was "a little bit" important? Believe me I've paid 24k/week all the last season and at the end the results were more than bad, you can see what happened in my arena when I've lost one match...

a) Influence fan basis: Yes.

b) Fan survey related to PR level: yes, indeed. The rules mention in the fan survey section, that a good PR can influence the fan's perception of the team's achievements.

I think a just in the way of b ;) I compare some numbers form the season ticket holders, before 2 season ... I find another team who startet in the same week like me, and both promote to div I.

The one has all the time a better PR, won more games, more tv games also, get further in the Cup and the PlayOffs but have exactly the same amount of fans for 2 seasons(lukcily we could compare old data too). The next season it looks pretty similiar but i got 2 fans more then him(maybe because i started a bit earlier). And other teams who have a pretty similiar story(same week, play as long as the other team, no cup win) looks pretty similiar too ...

So my theorie is, for season tickets only the league, the lenghth of membership and title counts(people who promotes through bot cleanup got less fans) ...

And there is also an league Limit, last season must of our div I teams has a similiar amount of fans ... This season i doN't get additional data, but i heard the number of season ticket holder from our div I champion and cup winner and the raise of season ticket holders for the title was less then in the past.

I hope you could understand me, else i had to try it again.

Thanks, but first of all Congratulations on winning the elections! You had my vote!

And I think I understand your point. It leads back to the assumption that a better PR cannot help you in any situation, especially if you are outperforming. Both teams, you and your opponent were performing extremely but had a very low fan base at the start. So both got the maximum possible to catch up with the ceiling. Maybe.