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77169.9 in reply to 77169.8
Date: 2/27/2009 6:48:49 AM
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IMO, every shot in basketball is a Jump Shot. It doesnt matter if a player jumps or not, it is still a Jump Shot. And Jump Range is his skill to shoot from longer distances. In real life, you cant see a player that is shooting 3pters from the ground without jumping... even if he is wide open and no one is guarding him... So IMHO jump range is the addition to jump shot, jump range isn't a skill on its own, it much depends on Jump Shot skill... What do you think on this theory?

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77169.10 in reply to 77169.9
Date: 2/27/2009 10:33:07 AM
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it's possible.

I can only talk from experience and I know my 2/6 center makes a lot more 3 pointers then my 5/1, but then again these last numbers are both 1 less...

But it seems the 2/6 -er doesn't seem to have TOO much trouble sinking 3's, even with his 2 on jump shot... possible bad OD from the opposing center had to do with it too.

I also have a 5/5, but I don't exactly recall him taking many 3 pointers, or for that matter making many...

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77169.11 in reply to 77169.10
Date: 2/27/2009 12:10:00 PM
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It was my understanding that JR is more like a modifier to JS. The shot starts with your JS rating, then applies a range modifier for distance. Either the range modifier is altered or the JS/range ratio is modified by the JR. At a certain distance and beyond the 2/6 will hit more shots than the 5/1. At least this is the way I understand it.

It is pretty rare to see a guy shoot a 3 without jumping at least a little.

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77169.12 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 12:19:24 PM
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I understood it the same way.

possibly the 5/1 will also try a lot less to shoot from distance since he knows his shot clearly worsens with every step away from the basket. While the 2/6 doesn't realy care from where he shoots, since his shot is bad from anywhere. He did sink in some though, and also a little more then expected. Possibly sheer luck, or as said before atrocious OD on the defender...

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77169.14 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 4:06:39 PM
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I think also that JR is a modifier to Jump Shot skill... Jump Range is worthless without jump shot

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77169.15 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 5:58:25 PM
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It was my understanding that JR is more like a modifier to JS. The shot starts with your JS rating, then applies a range modifier for distance.



Agreed

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77169.16 in reply to 77169.9
Date: 2/27/2009 10:28:03 PM
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In Buzzerbeater there are only two kinds of shots- inside shots and jump shots- at least as far as the Game Engine is concerned. I don't know where the boundaries are but I imagine that shots taken in the key are inside shots and shots taken outside the key are jump shots. Jump range is a modifier for jump shots, based on the distance from the hoop.

In real life there are many types of shots- hook shots, dunks, layups, floaters, scoop shots, jump shots, set shots, and finger rolls come to mind. In general a player jumps while taking all of them except for set shots.

I think that the OD of the man guarding the shooter is VERY important in the equation of whether a shot goes in or not. I have a player who is 10 JS and 9 JR who until recently has been an amazing scorer. Lately I have been playing in a private league with teams far superior to mine and my "amazing score" has gone a combined 1-21 in his last two games against players with what I have to imagine are very high OD ratings.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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77169.17 in reply to 77169.13
Date: 3/1/2009 3:06:42 PM
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I think you're under the impression that your big men sink more threes than they actually do. Your best 3pt shooter among your PF/C shot .292 on only 7-24.


considdering their jumpshot skill, I think that is a quite good %

I might be wrong, but isn't it so that in real basketball the centers seldom perform 3 point shots?

Because if I am wrong, that is where my misunderstanding lays. Actually I see every 3 pointer made by a center as a bonus, since I don't expect them to make any...

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77169.18 in reply to 77169.17
Date: 3/1/2009 6:08:23 PM
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I might be wrong, but isn't it so that in real basketball the centers seldom perform 3 point shots?


Most centers don't put up a lot of threes, but there are a few who do. I believe that Matt Bonner (Center, San Antonio Spurs) actually leads the NBA in 3-pt percentage right now, right around 50%.

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77169.19 in reply to 77169.16
Date: 3/2/2009 7:40:09 PM
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In real life there are many types of shots- hook shots, dunks, layups, floaters, scoop shots, jump shots, set shots, and finger rolls come to mind. In general a player jumps while taking all of them except for set shots.


This is the definition of Jump Shot I got from googling it: "Jump shot (basketball), an attempt to score in basketball and netball by jumping, usually straight up, and in mid-jump, propelling the ball in an arc into the basket. unlike a normal shot where your feet stay on the ground."

So I think this includes some of the ones you mentioned, like floaters, or maybe fade-aways or fall-aways etc. Inside shot could be considered a dunk or finger roll, and a layup too (short guy w/IS)

Thank goodness we dont have to train for each type of shot that there is a name,lol :P

Last edited by Heathcoat at 3/2/2009 7:42:08 PM

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