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I know, thats why I understand current penalty as a way too much... even rationally - why should be fans upset by listing of any player, while they know that he wasnt sold? And player itself doesnt give a ... about it.

Those team are penalized by worse fan survey i.e. a bit worse income. Only one LA fails to see that and wants their blood.

Please, no other explanation needed as you totally didn't understand my last message and mixed two separated things together.
I would rather drop this thread out of the forum or drop some user out of this game than dropping anything into your mail :-D

Perhaps you should drop into an english lesson. I can see from your press release that you have skipped some :D

You can pay some lessons for me, you are welcome. It's not secret I'm neither native english speaker nor native estonian-english speaker.
Maybe then I will understand better your ideas which sounds me at moment as totally meaningless.

please refrain from personal attacking each other here guys.
this is a suggestions forum.
Not everyone will agree with the suggestions made, there is no need to try to win a 'battle' by going completely off-topic.

This being said I will give my personal meaning about why there should be no tax on putting up players for sale:
1) there is an automatic tax for players that don't get sold by means of their wage. Each week the player is not sold, some few k's of dollars exit the team.
2) I give you a clear case where putting up a player multiple times is possible:
player A is estimated at 2M0 to 2M3 when compared to a few other similar players. He is put up for 2M2 and the day after the text changes to, recent sold players have been sold for 1M5 to 1M8, but this player is probably better.
Given the skillset you decide he is worth the 2M2 as he was first estimated, and since he is better then the 1M8 the other players where estimated as high price, you still feel the 2M2 is right. Yet nobody seems to be needing your type of player and he doesn't get sold. After some attempts, you put him up for 1M9, and for several attempts he still isn't sold.
Is this because the asking price is too high? Not sure. might be, But I think chances are higher nobody realy needs this type, and will only buy for a price they can make profit on.
Now by putting him up for 1M5, he might get sold, and then the buyer puts him up for 2M and sells him a few weeks later because at that time there IS someone, or even 2 who realy care to put this player in their line-up.
Why should the original manager need to give the 0.5M to the other?
Why should he get punished for waiting for a manager who will buy the player because he realy wants to play him instead of looking for an investment?

Players that don't get sold cost wage. I think it's already a price big enough.

But should BB decide to tax unsold players, I hope they work with a small and fixed number, and not as a % of something.

:)

But should BB decide to tax unsold players, I hope they work with a small and fixed number, and not as a % of something.

:)

I was agreeing with out while I read it till the last paragraph. The msall fixed number could be "harsh" for newbies as some of them will surely try to sell players of 10k or so of worth. When the fixed number would be nearly that, it would make them sad. As they usually don't know exactly who is worth what it would restrict their transactions behaviour. I know from one other managerial game where such a mechanism exist it is no good. There is 10k minimum tax or higher based on %. There is a some kind of sport academy un that game, so unless you decline all prospects coming from it, number ofp layers on your roster raises. So you need to get rid of some. Because of that tax feature I ended up guessing whether I should list a player on TL, because every attempt to sell him would cost me money, or fire him immediately as I was starting with not so great players. So I enlisted some hoping they will bring me more money than what the tax would be. Some went unsold, some for 10-15k and one or two were sold for couple of hundred thousands with no apparent difference among them - I might just fired those best selling ones as I did some others. In that game those money those amounts weren't much but still - the same pattern could happen here especially in that low value segment of the market - it is sometimes a bit random whether player goes unsold, sold for 1k or let's just say 30k. In addition some of those new managers will always try to sell their worthless players fro mthe original 18, not knowing they can't really bring them more than the fixed tax is and they should probably just fire them instead.

Say no to the taxes, even bigger no for the fixed ones.

I know about the weekly salary issue. It's not a high price to pay considering you can still use the players listed. Perhaps no tax is needed if you could not play the players listed?
About listing, I don't know but I think it is harder to start the tax from the players third listing by one team? Perhaps with errors there could be more GM tickets than with taxing every not sold player. I agree you might not sell your player on the first try (but I'm pretty sure that player that does not sell on the first try is listed already at the top of his value or over it). Now if you have listed him 3 times for the same price and he has not sold, it's not about bad timing, he is just not worth that much. Believe me I have seen players listed for the same amount for a month in a row, 2 listings in a week. I just find it silly and frustrating when he eventually get's sold to a new div.V team.

The market value of players fluctuate dramatically throughout the season. I have no reason to sell a player for less than what he is worth to me. If I believe a player to be worth 1 million, then I will try to sell him for 1 million, and if no one buys him that does not mean he isn't worth 1 million. Even if I list him for 1 month straight for 1 million and he doesn't sell that doesn't mean he isn't worth 1 million because he is worth that much to me. And if, after 2 months, there happens to be another user in the world that happens to agree that this player is worth 1 million then he will finally be sold and both I and the buyer will be happy and no one is harmed.

And the buyer doesn't even need to think the player is worth 1 million, the buyer might think he is worth 850k, however due to particular circumstances (for example, perhaps one of his players was injured and he didn't realise until 2 hours before his next cup game where he needs a player with similar skills to the one I have on offer and in the short time remaining before his cup game there aren't any other players available) he is happy to pay the extra 150k to get the player in time for his cup match.

Also, don't know if you were actually suggesting this or not, but stopping listed players from playing is just ridiculous and very unrealistic.

New div 5 teams don't have that much money, which means that the issue of players being listed way above their value doesn't really affect them as they don't have the money to purchase the player anyway. What may affect them is players listed under 500k that may be a little above value, but it is up to them to decide how to spend their money, and if they make a mistake then so be it, they can learn next time. And if the div 5 team does have a lot of money, by this time they probably know their way around the game a bit.

If I believe a player to be worth 1 million, then I will try to sell him for 1 million, and if no one buys him that does not mean he isn't worth 1 million. Even if I list him for 1 month straight for 1 million and he doesn't sell that doesn't mean he isn't worth 1 million because he is worth that much to me.

That's where I think you are wrong. If I think my bench player is worth 15million does not actually make it so.
I'm not sure how often anyone buys an expencive player to fill a spot. So I can't comment on that. Scrubs get bought for scrimmage.
Could you explain why stopping listed players is ridiculous? You are trying to sell the player right?
About the lower league teams. Some teams gather money for seasons without really buying anything before. Seen it happen and it will prolly happen again. You would be surprised how many managers (that have been playing from season 3-4) ask the most basic questions via forum or bb-mail. So you can not assume that everyone understands the game as fast as you.

If you think your bench player is worth 15 million, and I happen to have a bench player of similar skills listed for 15 million, and you see him and decide you want him, then he is worth 15 million to me and he is worth 15 million to you.

I know I have bought players in a last minute hurry purely to try and win a cup game, and I am sure many players will do so before cup games, playoff games, relegation games and even important league games.

Stopping players from playing if they are listed will result in all players being listed on the market on tuesdays after the league game. The player will probably have already played in both the league matches that week and so won't need to play in the scrimmage, and will be sold or not sold before the next game that the player is required.

I suppose there may be some teams that save up lots of money initially and don't buy anything, but I don't believe there will be many. And like I said, I am sure they will learn from their mistake.