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Now you are preaching ...

Now I am making one point and one point only:

2. Build as much as you can as fast as you can

is foolishness. If you read the thread carefully you will see that this is also the consensus. However, people love to argue in these threads, so let them. What harm does it do?

So... Baseline recommendation of seat numbers for a DIV team? (Can't really judge off the teams in my division since they've been pulling for a while and have been in D2 / D3 at points in time)

Especially if just starting out, my viewpoint is to try to emphasize getting the more expensive seats built. I am pretty sure you won't be able to sell 50 luxury boxes, but build them incrementally and as long as you can sell them, keep adding a couple at a time with each expansion - you may be able to get as high as 40 sold, but probably mid 30s is my guess. Courtside is similar, but I think those may actually be able to sell all 500 even in IV, but I don't have my old arena information available at this point for historical sanity checks.

It looks like you're doing a wise thing already by not overbuilding bleachers early on, though. I think the best thing to do is just build incrementally like you are. I always tried to set prices to where I was pretty sure I'd sell out pretty comfortably when the prices changed, and then try to build in the seats to get dollars back on them immediately, and prioritize between lower tier/courtside/luxury depending on whether they were still selling out. Something like that where you go slow and steady would serve you well.

Hmmm... Thanks, I don't have much rhyme or reason behind the numbers, but right now I was aiming for:

Bleachers: 8,000
Lower Tier: 2000
Courtside Seats: 500
Luxury Boxes: 20

After I hit those numbers, I'll probably split my focus between continuing to expand and spending more money on players.

It's good to know that DIV can probably handle more luxury boxes though... Maybe I'll up the # of those and reduce some of the courtside and bleachers.

edit:

Actually on second thought... I'll probably begin to split my focus before I those levels, but I'd like to get close to those #'s as soon as possible before making major player expenditures.



Last edited by Mikhail Jordan at 8/28/2015 1:06:28 PM

Hmmm... Thanks, I don't have much rhyme or reason behind the numbers, but right now I was aiming for:

Bleachers: 8,000
Lower Tier: 2000
Courtside Seats: 500
Luxury Boxes: 20

After I hit those numbers, I'll probably split my focus between continuing to expand and spending more money on players.

It's good to know that DIV can probably handle more luxury boxes though... Maybe I'll up the # of those and reduce some of the courtside and bleachers.

edit:

Actually on second thought... I'll probably begin to split my focus before I those levels, but I'd like to get close to those #'s as soon as possible before making major player expenditures.

Having a plan already means you're probably ahead of the curve. ;)

The thing I'd also counsel is that bleachers are relatively cheap, and that the financial pressures become greater the higher up you go, so if it ever comes down to a choice between more bleachers and more anything else, with other things being equal, prioritize the more expensive seats. Obviously, the all other being equal part encompasses things like not building seats that won't sell for another promotion or two (but I need to point it out explicitly just in case).

As far as balancing players and seats, the longer you think a player could be useful for you, the more weight you'd want to give to him in your decisions. If you found a well-built ~25 year old player with a 20-25k salary that could star for you now, be a solid starter a level up and still play quality minutes no matter how high you go, that's the kind of player you'd love to have to show for your player purchases.

Especially if just starting out, my viewpoint is to try to emphasize getting the more expensive seats built. I am pretty sure you won't be able to sell 50 luxury boxes, but build them incrementally and as long as you can sell them, keep adding a couple at a time with each expansion - you may be able to get as high as 40 sold, but probably mid 30s is my guess. Courtside is similar, but I think those may actually be able to sell all 500 even in IV, but I don't have my old arena information available at this point for historical sanity checks.

It looks like you're doing a wise thing already by not overbuilding bleachers early on, though. I think the best thing to do is just build incrementally like you are. I always tried to set prices to where I was pretty sure I'd sell out pretty comfortably when the prices changed, and then try to build in the seats to get dollars back on them immediately, and prioritize between lower tier/courtside/luxury depending on whether they were still selling out. Something like that where you go slow and steady would serve you well. :)

Wow, there's so much there I agree with!

BTW, the other arena-building thread is still interesting. The "build as much as you can as fast as you can" guy keeps digging himself a deeper and deeper hole, not ever realizing Bernspin owns him with every post.

cool thread

(hi)

cool thread

Definitely! It started from a simple question and it turns out to be a massive discussion! *-:)
Although, I feel responsible for all the misunderstandings and differences in opinion which have drained a portion of the issue itself. My bad for poking the hornet's nest.

I've gained a lot of informaation of the subject and it really turns out to be relative to everything else that one can manage in BB - roster, salaries and salary floor, promoting/demoting, tanking, arena pricing, PR manager etc. etc.

I would like to thank you folks for answering my question and giving me more than I ever could've asked for! Earlier I was content on my own experiments and trial and error. I also read the forums and believed that I could avoid fellow players' "mistakes" (btw there are none, it's a game and everyone enjoys it their on way). From now on I believe in the power of the community!

Thank you (hi)

Sorry to restart the discussion- but I was curious- how does this debate apply to me?

I'm a brand new team in DI of a small country (14 active teams). Our league is not strong- with only, I'd say 4 good teams (thats why I'm in 5th place out of 16th through only a half a season and acquisition of only two veterans).

In order to reach the earning potential of my 4 older league mates, I've been pumping as much as I can into my arena. Similarly, I've put the max prices on every seat, because, I figure a DI team with a DIV arena should be selling out. Once I've built enough, I can lower and play with the prices. Fortunately, I'm not subject to the tax floor, which in my league is 240k per week. I only pay about 60k in salaries (75% of that to my two vet acquisition and the rest to my 5 trainees and scrubs).

Is the advice to me as well: build as quick as I can to maximize the earning potential in DI and then use the extra money to start to build a competitive team? I know I can't catch the Big 4 in my league without some 100k salary players, and I'm probably seasons away from that. However, if I don't get my arena to a big enough size by the end of the season, I'll go bankrupt next season when the floor applies to me.

*I didn't choose to be in DI, I asked to be in a middle tier, but I got put in DII and bot promoted up immediately as I joined right before the season change, which was fortunate because I got that 1M promotion bonus. :)

I would follow perpete's advice. It doesn't make sense to compete with teams that can earn more money than you. They will always be able to field a better team than you. If anything, you should just have enough salary to avoid relegation but going down to DII might not be a bad option either.

Don't worry, you can catch the others up in no time.

You can probably build up your arena in 2-3 seasons, which is relatively very short time. I mean, if you get hooked up, you'll probably play the game for 10 seasons minimum(I'm in my 9th, and just warming up :))