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yall some stupid ass muther fuckers

LOL are we even allowed to say that on USA boards?

So, to analyze, not only did we lose all of 2010 through vacated wins, we lost all of this year due to our best players being out half or more of the season, Pryor and Tressell being shown the door. Then, the NCAA intentionally waits to levy this punishment until AFTER we have accepted a bowl bid this year so that it hurts us more.

Meanwhile you have numerous teams in the SEC specifically who have found that if you dont self-report, nothing happens. If you dont cooperate, the NCAA cant find anything, and does nothing. I suspect it also has to do with the level of play in the SEC (and the SEC network contract with ESPN which is a stakeholder in the NCAA) as to why nothing seems to happen to them.

That's what happens when you have a coach that LIES to the NCAA, fails to report known violations and an athletic department that documents that the coach hasn't filled out his compliance papers and doesn't bother to have that rectified.

And seriously, as I said earlier, the SEC is the only one of the AQ conferences that ESPN has no part of the first tier TV rights for. It'd be one thing if you were pushing CBS as the conspirator, but they're the lone conference that ESPN never has first choice for on TV.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Miami, UNC, and Penn St. All 3 of these schools should have penalties that significantly trump what OSU is going through. It is funny, USC gives like 100k benefits to Bush, and while they did lose substantially more scholarships, they also got a 2 year bowl ban. Meanwhile OSU 8k worth of improper benefits lands them a 2 year bowl ban as well.

USC didn't give those benefits to Bush, nor did the tOSU give benefits to their many, many players who ended up violating guidelines. For that matter, I don't remember Pete Carroll having been shown to know about the violations a year before and cover them up, for what little things like fact matter for this discussion.

Pretty interesting when you look at the Cam Newton investigation, which, involved the number 1 team in the country, who was heading for the title game. They basically just gave up on the investigation. You have Richt at Georgia paying his assistant coaches out of his own pocket, but the only punishment there is a letter condemning the actions. Alabama players drive around in $50k cars, but eh I am sure they just have the money for that as a 20 year old.

Yeah, the Cam Newton investigation just wrapped up this October -- after 13 months. That's some quality giving up right there! As far as Richt, and I am a Georgia hater in the first degree, but I think that what he did should not be considered wrong and the fact that they have to punish him for it is stupid. And if that stuff is going on at 'bama, it will come out, just like it did at the tOSU, when SI was about to break the news story themselves.

Claim 13 months all you want, but the guy was suspended and then reinstated less than 24 hours after. If they still had an investigation ongoing, he should have been held out. It is funny how Ohio State is being chastised by you guys for playing people they 'knew' were ineligible prior to the ncaa ruling coming out. Nice how one school can wait for the ruling and another has to do it before. Wonder what you would say had Cam been found guilty this October.......

I don't think anyone has actually "chastised" OSU for playing players in the Sugar Bowl. However, i do believe they should have cut ties with the players as soon as the allegations were confirmed, which was BEFORE the bowl game. Yes that seems harsh, but if JT/OSU cared about the TEAM then they would have gotten rid of them. Regardless of my opinions on that matter, this is far different than the Cam Newton situation. JT KNEW those players cheated and covered it up. The Auburn coaches had no confirmation of cheating or otherwise. When the NCAA was investigating the matter they found that the link was between an MSU booster and Cam. Auburn then was the one to pull Cam from playing, NOT the NCAA. The NCAA then reinstated him saying that they had found no wrongdoing by Auburn and therefore he shouldn't have to sit out yet. The NCAA suspended the OSU players because they already found wrongdoing, but somewhat awkwardly allowed them to still play int he bowl game...which still makes zero sense. THEN the NCAA continued the investigation to find out if more wrongdoing could be found....which it was. 2 TOTALLY different scenarios.

I find what you said to be very off base from what anyone has said about OSU and really a bad comparison. Your bias is showing ;)

ESPN paid the SEC something like 2B for all TV rights not claimed by CBS. So to talk about it like ESPN has no connection to the SEC is downright inaccurate.

I'm not saying at all that they have no connection. I am saying that ESPN has either complete or at least a share of the first tier rights of every single BCS conference, except the SEC. So claiming that ESPN is going to protect the SEC because of that contract is you simply talking out of your Maurice Clarett hole. The simple fact is that if the #1 and #2 teams in the country for a regular season game play, whether it's Ohio State - Michigan, Oregon-USC, Texas - Oklahoma, Florida State-Va Tech(lol!), Whoever is left in the Big East v. Someone else in the Big East, that game will be on ESPN (well, ABC, but the point exists - they own that). But LSU - Alabama? That was on CBS. So while, of course, ESPN has a big financial interest in the SEC, they have a more compelling interest to "protect" the other conferences.

For what it is worth, and I guess I'll have to state it again, OSU DID self report. They self reported. They told the NCAA what happened. ...
Lastly, your 'that is what happens when...' line is well, not actually right! Looking at precedent, it is NOT what happens! It is simply what happened in this case.

Auburn self-reported too. North Carolina self-reported. Pretty much everyone self-reports whenever they find something out because otherwise they are going to get hammered. As far as your comment, the NCAA notice of allegations itself said that Tressel lied to the NCAA (well, "falsely attested that he had reported"... etc.). You lie to the NCAA, you get hammered, period (ask Dez Bryant). Show me a precedent where a coach was caught flat out lying and covering up known violations and not getting hammered, and I'll believe you. Good luck with that. (The closest thing I can think of is that Bruce Pearl's sanctions didn't add to what UT had already self-imposed, but they had pretty much self-imposed a one-year ban on him recruiting).

About Bush, ya, USC did not directly give him benefits, I guess it was just a coincidence that had nothing to do with USC in the least, just like none of the stuff going on with OSU players had any connection to Ohio State....that is called blissfully ignorant. You also speak about this as if it is impossible for someone to hide conversations, destroy records, what not. Sure that is speculation, but, only to a point. The NCAA has no investigation powers at all, they get to work with what the university gives them and that alone. So if the Uni gives them nothing......then it surely must not have happened!

Who in the University tipped off the NCAA about Bush or Nevin Shapiro? Heck, it took an FBI sting to get the tOSU to "self-report" in advance of SI blowing it out for them.

Claim 13 months all you want, but the guy was suspended and then reinstated less than 24 hours after. If they still had an investigation ongoing, he should have been held out. It is funny how Ohio State is being chastised by you guys for playing people they 'knew' were ineligible prior to the ncaa ruling coming out. Nice how one school can wait for the ruling and another has to do it before. Wonder what you would say had Cam been found guilty this October.......

You're comparing apples to dog turds. There were "allegations" that Cam Newton's dad asked for money; there has never been anything to show he did anything that would violate his eligibility. So they reported what they knew, the NCAA found no reason to *immediately* declare him permanently ineligible, so his eligibility was restored. Then they spent another year investigating the claims and if they had found anything, sanctions would be coming. Now, in the tOSU's case, Tressel *KNEW* these guys were ineligible and personally and intentionally covered it up.

I believe we have the same view sir, well said.

The difference is that they PROVED JT had direct knowledge. Period.

As for Cam's "suspension"...he was NEVER suspended and Auburn was the one that said they would hold him out of the SEC championship. The NCAA then said he could play as they had zero proof he was ever even offered money by the school. If proof is found then Auburn will forfeit every single game from that season, just as OSU did, even though the NCAA told Auburn to play Cam.

Also, the NCAA didn't take away the Sugar Bowl win, OSU placed that sanction, as well as refunding the bowl money, on themselves. Would the NCAA have done the same? Maybe. However they found more violations and found AFTERWARDS that there was a cover up...that is why the NCAA would have done the same as well.

Ok, you guys both seem to accept that a guy is going to turn down 150k or whatever it was and go play for free with no reservations or anything at all. I dont. Cam Newtons suspension got turned around overnight, while say like a usc player who got a ride across campus on a golf cart stayed suspended for a full week before he was reinstated.

He was never suspended. He was declared temporarily ineligible, as there were allegations that he had done something that would violate his amateur status and therefore his eligibility. There was, and still is, no proof at all that he has ever done anything in this case to be ineligible, and so was therefore immediately declared eligible to play. Then the NCAA investigated for another year and somehow they never got around to asking you for your opinion, so decided there were no violations he had committed and declared it closed. Look, I'm not exactly a big Cam fan -- if he hadn't been the turd in the punch bowl that he was at Florida, we might not have had to suffer through the last couple of years of the Brantley ffense [sic]. But you seem to have some difficulty grasping the difference between "someone said he did something wrong" and "proof of wrongdoing."

I dont think it is off base, you guys keep harping on that along with JT lying being the big difference, that we knew they were inelligible and then played them. The only way that didnt happen at auburn is if you think young 18 year olds are turning down 150k to play football. I dont.

Your disdain for facts, though lamentable, is at least admirably consistent. (I really wish I thought you were stupid so I could translate that to little words, but I think you're a smart enough fellow with just a little bit of a blind spot in this case). I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that Cam Newton did not ever take money as a young 18 year old to play at Auburn. Of course, that might have to do with the fact that he was at Florida two years (one a medical redshirt), transferred to a JUCO, and was a redshirt junior by the time he went to Auburn. Of course, putting that aside, the investigation looked at bank records, tax records, telephone records, email records, etc. and the only thing that was ever substantiated was that his father had made the statement to boosters of Mississippi State about needing money to transfer there. There's never been a link that Cam was there, that Cam knew of or endorsed this, and never a link that says that anyone ever asked for or accepted money from Auburn, their boosters, the Tooth Fairy, or Charles Barkley's two-ton backside.

The nice thing about this country is that you're perfectly free to think what you want. If you want to think there's people all over the South giving SEC athletes big money, you're entitled to that opinion. But the other great thing is that we don't let opinion trump facts and evidence, and in this case, there's simply no objective evidence at all to support your opinion. The Sweatervest knew that his players were ineligible, and personally withheld that information to allow them to play. That is a matter of pure, undeniable fact - the documentation is freely reviewable, though names are redacted from most of the documents I've seen online. As far as Cam Newton's allegations, the only thing that can be factually confirmed is that he didn't take money to go to play for Mississippi State. I guess that's how far things have fallen for the tOSU if they consider not taking money to be a bigger violation than actually accepting gifts from boosters and money for work not done.

or Charles Barkley's two-ton backside.

Have you seen his backside lately? He's "losing weight like a man" on Weight Watchers, and I bet he would be offended by this terrible representation of facts about his buttocks.