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It was never about which style of inside players I prefer. But about price ranges and going over the max price. If you would have read my previous posts in this thread you should know this.

I have been thinking about the fact I should react or not.

We have all wandered away from the initial meaning of my post a while back.

What I said was NOT to put up players for an insane price hoping some dork would bid on him, since it would get a correction anyway.

nobody was talking about players with extra's.

In the end nobody is reading nobodies posts carefully.

If this player would have these extra's, the estimate would say: XXX is probably better then all these players, but the ones that come closest went for AAA to BBB dollars. And this simple sentence makes the last 15 posts or so, obsolete.

As so many seem to not agree with this policy, I wonder , how many of you guys have been wrongfully corrected for overpriced transfers?
I also wonder, how many of you would like it to be in the same league with a team, or even several teams, that had overpriced sales and was not corrected for it?
And maybe a last wondering from me, how many of you would feel great playing champ in his country, only with the knowledge they have gotten so many for a player once, which wasn't worth 100k for example, that they could buy a champ team, but actually didn't put any efforts in their team otherwise then spending the lucky money on the best available players?

Looks like the the fined dudes like to rate your posts. I gave you a 5 to even it out a bit.

Edit: just noticed someone has rated my posts aswell :D I presume it's zyler...


Last edited by Kukoc at 2/2/2010 1:24:54 PM

i didnt take anything out of context here is exactly what im replying to.

Training 3 passing will not net you more money. Training IS/RB/ID instead of passing "might" get you into a different pricerange.

said by la kukoc

I recently paid about 1 million above the TPE for a center just because of several uncommonly high outside skills. Maybe you wouldn't pay that price, but I would because I am well aware that having players with well-rounded skills is more valuable to my team than having a guy who is legendary in inside shot and atrocious in passing and handling.

said by gm-somdetsfinest

Was that sarcasm???

said by la kukoc

theres a huge debate going on in a few different threads (outside atk too strong, how did i lose) where bb's and gm's have clearly stated that a well rounded center or powerforward with good secondary skills will become more expensive as people get used to the new GE .

so paying a mil more now for a center with excellent secondarys now is a great move by any manager as there most likely going to be worth 2 million more in a season or 2 .

the transfer estimate very rarely does justice to these well balanced players that are now ore valuable then 1 skilled or 2 skilled monsters.

put it this way a c with 12 on rbd/ins/indef and 1pass/1hnd for what eva the going price at the time or
a c with 12 on rbd/ins/indef and 8pass/8hand for the exact same price according to the transfer price estimate.

which would you take? which would you bid more for?

the second player would clearly end up over the transfer listed price which is not cheating merely supply and demand of a rare player (due to past training tendencys) who will dominate in todays game engine.

hopefully training tendencys will change and we will start to see more multi skilled inside players which will lead to lower prices for such players, but for now spending a mil over on such player imho is a great moe by the gm as that player is going to be worth so much more once the community in general realise that 2 skilled inside players no longer run the courts.

what i said.

It's another one of those "IF" situations. Having 7 passing vs 10 passing on a C does not raise the price 3 mil. Believe me. The price range is given for a bunch of players having different secondary skills. Some of them sell on the upper limit of the transfer estimate, others sell near the lower limit. None of them are worth twise the max estimate.

what la kukoc said.

you clearly support old style inside players, the ge has changed mate.

i said this to la kukoc because he stated that because he does not seem to value the balanced player and gave the impression that paying an 2 mil for a balanced player is overpaying if the tpl lists the player as 1mil when the tpl only takes a few skills into account. i probably should have explained/conveyed this better my bad.

nobody was talking about players with extra's.

said by gm-lord of doom , i think i just found a few posts that were recent about exactly that. yes the thread didnt start about what is and what isnt over paying on players with good secondaries , but the thread did evolve that way through healthy debate.

If this player would have these extra's, the estimate would say: XXX is probably better then all these players, but the ones that come closest went for AAA to BBB dollars. And this simple sentence makes the last 15 posts or so, obsolete.

said by gm-lord of doom. while this is true it does open the door somewhat to large bids, how is any one to know what the fair price for one of these players is? 1 mil extra? 2 mil extra? at what point will it be classed as cheating? what if a player thinks he is cheating if he goes above the tlp in this instant and sells for say a mil, then the next day sees that same player up for 2.5 mil the player sells and the original ower reports it, but nothing happens as 2.5 is closer to the real value.

No, it was not sarcasm in the least. The point of yours that I was responding to was that " Training 3 passing will not net you more money. Training IS/RB/ID instead of passing "might" get you into a different price range." For me this is the opposite of the truth. For most new managers, and a lot of managers who simply don't understand how to play, players who have green skills in either JS or IS are worth more. Centers with triple 13 (or better) IS/ID/RB are selling for around 4-6 million. I am willing to pay above TPE for players whose managers have taken the time and consideration to develop well-rounded, versatile players. If I were a seller of players, I would train them in JS or IS only and turn them for profit because there are legions of managers who see high shooting and think "good player."

this will make the original seller feel cheated by the tlp and he will begin to ignore it completely, and may even begin selling above it as he has witnessed his old player sell for much more then hat the tpl said.

just noticed someone has rated my posts aswell :D I presume it's zyler...

said by la kukoc
until now i have never rated any of your posts 1, this post how eva gets a huge one in my eyes.

You guys are doing a pretty good job of taking what LA Kukoc said out of context

said by reddaddy32

pretty sure i just showed that i didnt take anything out of context.

from my point of view he didnt understand me and superfly.

sorry for the really long posts guys.

let the healthy debate rage on.

with fair ball ratings lol

Last edited by zyler at 2/2/2010 10:31:20 PM

nobody was talking about players with extra's.

said by gm-lord of doom , i think i just found a few posts that were recent about exactly that. yes the thread didnt start about what is and what isnt over paying on players with good secondaries , but the thread did evolve that way through healthy debate.

correct.

I also explained why the last posts where obsolete (in regards to what I have been trying to say in the first place), and as such I was referring to the posts before the last post, to be exactly the posts it all started out with.

Let me be clear that a manager bidding extra on a player with extra's will not be the only one doing this.
But it's totally besides the point.

I'm glad at least a few got the point. I think I'll have to be satisfied with that.

A last request: please return on topic again. This thread has gone wild. The discussion will be endless as too many people are talking about to many diffrent things.
If there is someone who wants to continue the discussion, that's fine, but please open a new thread for it then.
Let's get this one back on tracks.



Last edited by Lord of Doom at 2/3/2010 3:04:57 AM

So if the price range is 4-6 mil you would pay 7mil but not 12mil. That is my point.

You are the one not getting my drift. A player that has a transfer range of 700k-1mil, if he is then bought for 2mil -> is cheating 99.99% of the time. Do you understand that this thread is not about which kind of C or any player I prefer. It's about the transfer estimate and how it works. If you train passing on a C, it will raise his price in experienced players eyes, but considering TL price estimate, training 3 inside skills will get you into a higher price range.
Training passing is like buying a new stereo system in your car. You know you will never get the money back when you sell the car.

i under stand everything you have said,clearly you have not understood what i have said and what ihave responded to, i suggest you go back and reread my last 2 posts.

If you train passing on a C, it will raise his price in experienced players eyes, but considering TL price estimate, training 3 inside skills will get you into a higher price range.
Training passing is like buying a new stereo system in your car. You know you will never get the money back when you sell the car.

this is exactly what i disagree with.
as more and more managers see how important secondary skillsare for inside players in the new game engine there prices will go up while old style centers prices will go down. this is the point im trying to show you, buying a c or pf now overpriced will most likely be a great move as they most likely will be worth so much more in a season or 2
with that ive said what i needed to say and wont be replying to any posts tha dont move this conversationback towards the original post as reguested by the gm

Last edited by zyler at 2/3/2010 6:25:48 AM