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150176.92 in reply to 150176.91
Date: 8/21/2010 6:14:07 AM
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playing TIE on the road is dangerous against almost any team. Playing TIE on the road against a crunch is almost a sure loss, unless there is a huge difference between the teams.

Playing at home one can risk a TIE and have good chances, but if the opponent isn't a lot weaker and crunches, it's still dangerous.

In most conditions playing crunch is the worst possible choice any manager can make during a season , unless it's a Play-off crunch. The penalty of a crunch is so high, chances of getting anywhere are gone, unless you are a lucky bastard. But hoping for luck doesn't show much tactical ability.
Crunch is only for those who have no goals of reaching anything decent, it's used to get just 1 step further and then give up.

This is okay as far as it's the team's choices. The real pain is for the team getting it against himself, and possibly some others as well.

I could try to explain numerous situation in which this 1 game affects the entire rest of a league's outcome, but won't, just rest asured a cruncher often decides other teams chances of reaching their goals. And that should not be the case. Teams should reach their goals by own capability, not because soe other team there crunched the other team there...
I've been telling this for a long long time, and luckely BB came up with the PO-crunch and PO-normal formats, which indeed already helps a lot. Still I feel the problem is now shifted a littlebit to the earlier time in a season.
I'd like to see the effects of the crunch be reduced, and then I mean the negative effect afterwards.
If the negative effect afterwards would be reduced, it would become a reasonable option to pick, while still having chances of reaching certain decent goals afterwards. It would be a choice of CT-normal-TIE. Get an extra win and try to not loose next, or try to keep it normal and win each game, but risk a loss here and there, or go for TIE in the easy games, or to sacrifice a game to get a few more afterwards.
As it is now, only the last two are valid, the crucnh option is now more like: do I want to win this game and get 1 more round, loosing at least the next 5 of my games...

Ofcourse this is not valid in bot-leagues or leagues where there is a huge difference between teams. But overtime most leagues will become fairly balanced in teamstrength. And then crunch is just no decent option...

Maybe others have different opinions?


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150176.93 in reply to 150176.92
Date: 8/21/2010 9:39:58 AM
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to be honest, i disagree a little bit with you here:

ofcourse, it's very annoying to face a crunch. nobody likes facing those, since using a CT really can change the odds of winning a game. However, the penalty you pay for it, is a big one. i've noticed that very clearly with my TIE vs ITE against Malta. if their Starting SG hadn't been injured, then i'm pretty sure that they would have won that game. however, Belgium has a way better team than Malta. (just using NT as an example)
i find the CT necessairy, as it gives teams a chance to kick out the teams that otherwise would be unbeatable. be honest here, if the CT wasn't so strong, then BBBL teams would be able to TIE all the time in the cup, without any other team being able to eliminate them, other than a very good II team OR another BBBL team. however, i knew pretty well that i would be able to get a win in a normal vs normal enthousiasme against most opponents that were still in the cup. ofcourse, if i had faced a BBBL team then, it would have been over, without me even having a single chance of winning the game. however, i could win against 50 % of the remaining teams, and that gives you a decent shot imo. the possibility of facing a CT is what gives this game a chance to eliminate a stronger team than yours, and that is what makes it so interesting.
regarding the cup and a CT in the cup, i find the current way of enthsouasime good. in the quarter finals, you get PO CT, which makes it that normally, the best team f the final 8 will win the cup ( if they don't understimate the opponent, like SSS did. tumas is a team that bounces back and forth between BBBL and II, so they could get a win of a BBBL team). from the quarter finales on, normally, each opponent will PO CT eachother, and the best team will win. this means that to win the cup, you need to do 2 things: first, make the quarter finals, and once you made those, see that your team has a decent chance of winning it.

now for the cup, i see 2 options that could work:
1) have separated enthousiasme for the cup and the league. this means that if a team CT's in the cup, it will have to pay a much bigger prize, something with i'm not a fan off, since that will take decrease the chance for teams of IV and III to elminate a team from II or BBBL. however, it would urge managers to be more carefull with their enthousiasme in the cup.

option 2) have a seeded tournament. this means that you can see who could be your possible opponents the next round. if you'r facing a II team, and will most likely face a BBBL team, then Cting against the II team will mean a certain victory for the BBBL team, and you'd lose your enthousiasme for getting to the next round ( only to lose their, and you'l probably take a hit in your own competition too). in this case, you can actually see if it's worth to CT a team or not. it means that people still can eliminate the better teams than themselves, but it will also give them a chance to show them that eliminating such a team, might not be worth the loss of enthousiasme. that would force the manager to think more carefully how to use their enthousiasme, and it will still give the weaker teams a chance to beat the better teams.

so if anything should be changed, then i think you should make it a seeded tournament. for the first round ofcourse, everything should be set at random, like it is now, and the place where the game should be played, shouldn't be predetermined either ( say that if you play away game one, then you should have a 60% chance of playing home in game 2 and viceversa, playing home in game one, means you'll have a 40% chance that game 2 will be played at home too..)

that way, you'll get a much more even way in playing away/home games, and people will most likely think more about using their enthousiasme. cause right now, the cup is just a lotery... for me, the enthousiasme doesn't need to be changed. but i guess this isn't the topic to speak about that ;)

Rev


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150176.94 in reply to 150176.93
Date: 8/22/2010 6:09:27 AM
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I might not have expressed myself very clear as I find it hard to express my way of thinking about CT.

do know I agree on this part:
the possibility of facing a CT is what gives this game a chance to eliminate a stronger team than yours, and that is what makes it so interesting.


the think that stincks is the part that comes right after it. The big big penalty.

I'm totally okay with a possibility to eliminate a stronger team given the right tactics and extra effort, but not when it means you have a VERY big chance of being eliminated right after, and often giving an advantage to your lucky opponent who then can easely win and in it's turn get a new advantage over his next opponent.


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150176.95 in reply to 150176.94
Date: 8/30/2010 9:46:11 AM
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Tomorrow I'll be faced with a dilemma
I have to choose between keeping my first place general or accept a "bribe in kind" of bibou
I'm joking...

But we move slowly to the end of the season and things seem to be a little clearer in our conference with the victory of bibou on G-fusion
I think that she will stay in BBL next season
I'm very surprised cause I thought that Liège would play the PO

good end of season at all managers
Friday I'm going in "Corsica" for two weeks ;-)

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150176.97 in reply to 150176.95
Date: 8/30/2010 2:27:16 PM
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Well, I gladly give up "my" spot in the BBBL to her...

Hope she can clinch it and also keep it ever after.

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150176.98 in reply to 150176.97
Date: 8/30/2010 3:24:04 PM
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I hope it will continue at least one more match :D


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150176.99 in reply to 150176.98
Date: 8/31/2010 1:29:19 AM
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hehe, that will not be a problem.
Van Eeckhout will be distributing the balls next game, I wonder if he can beat the 4.0 rating of Backaert from last game.

You shouldn't screw up totally though as there are still other players around as well, and I play at home. ;þ

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150176.102 in reply to 150176.101
Date: 9/4/2010 11:34:57 AM
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It has not be easy at all.... in all cases the final was much more complicated than expected due to a lot of faults at the beginning of the game, an injury... and an excellent team to face! I thought several times, during the game, that everything was gathered for me to loose the game... but hopefully everything went well...at the very end...

I have to congratulate inheems who did a great game and a great competition in general and thank him for his quarter of final against the Sonics :P I have also to thank the Sonics to have beaten the cowboys a bit before (even if this is one of the reason why i will not finish first of the second conference this year as i chose to focus on the cup this season while the cowboys focused on the championship after this defeat) and to have underestimated his game against inheems and so give few chances to the other teams to win something on the Belgium part of Buzzerbeater :P

After have beaten two D4, one D3, four D2 and three D1, i am happy to finally win the Cup... after an unlucky lost final 3 seasons ago... The Cup is always a question of decision, strategy, management of the weeks and also risks taken (also linked to the previous elements)... but also a question of chance (like my win by 5 points at the 4th round.

Good luck to everybody for the end of the season... Mine is already a success and the rest would only be bonus... :-)

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