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Date: 3/19/2015 6:20:41 AM
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I would still like to see a fair computation of the current situation.

Here is tool, which calculates real cost of trainer (or PR manager / doctor) according to price and starting wage:
http://bbtools.x10.mx/staff/

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Date: 3/19/2015 7:24:00 AM
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Mike, I was being conservative and giving the benefit of a reasonably cheap rate when I used the 20k number originally. In my experience the signing fee is around 70k-150k for an advanced trainer with a starting salary around 15k (including the severance pay to the old trainer) and a specialty, so that's what I consider to be the benchmark. We all know it can be more, but it is usually more for trainers who start at 12-13k salary.

Lower level trainers increase their salary noticeably slower than exceptional/world reknowned trainers. So if you buy a 90k a week World Reknowned for 1k fee his salary will balloon to 127k after 1 season and 180k (double) after 2 seasons. When you get rid of this guy you still have to pay him an extra salary as well, which is not going to be irrelevant.

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Date: 3/19/2015 8:10:54 AM
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Its a lot about perceptions.
I cost look at the all-in cost before replacement for about 2 seasons. So if I have to pay 1k for a 80k lvl 7, that would equal paying 2.7 million for a 15k lvl 4 trainer or about 1.7 million for a 40k lvl 6 trainer.

There are a lot more lvl 4 than lvl 5 trainers on the market. Lvl 6 and lvl 7 trainers are much rarer. I have no idea if the number of 'new' (i.e. not the fired ones who are put back into the staff market) trainers has changed over time but I think the rarity is what determines the price (and the specialty).


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Date: 3/19/2015 8:59:19 AM
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.post it on the forums hat l4s are enough and suddenly that price wil go up.

Knowledgeable players have been posting on the forums for years that an advanced (lvl 4) trainer is sufficient for training and generally the best bang for your buck. This is not new information being posted in this thread for the first time.

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Date: 3/19/2015 9:31:42 AM
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That didn't sound right, so I took a quick look at the level four trainers on the market right now, just as a quick snapshot. Of the next ten level 4 trainers listed, only two have a salary under $20,000 and 8 are above that line. The bidding on the two under that line is at $520,200 for Leo Belu and $173,400 for Achacjusz Anonim, an auction with more than seven hours to run. Of the other eight level 4 trainers, only one has a salary in the $20's, and his bidding is already up to $325,000. Three salaries are in the $30's, three in the $40's, and the final guy has a salary of $79,340 (he also has a specialty).

So, upon closer scrutiny, a nice "calculation" turns out just to be a story. I would like to see fair calculations on this topic.


$20k is actually a high estimate. I generally would pick up a trainer with about 13-14k salary for a very low signing bonus and keep him until roughly 18k or so.

As far as the discrepancy you're observing, I think it's almost certainly the case that you picked the fourth level listed in the search dropdown and saw the trainers with "superior" skill. Because you can't search for staff with minimal skill level (level 1), the dropdown starts at basic (level 2). Level 4 is advanced, and it should not be too difficult to find guys at ~14k within a few days that you have to pay less than 5k to sign, though of course if you're patient or willing to spend more, you can get them at 11k salaries or even slightly lower.

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Date: 3/19/2015 9:40:32 AM
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Incidentally, while you can't *search* for level 1 guys, they do actually go to the TL if fired.

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/manage/staffBox.aspx?staffid=...)

That's a guy that I ended up replacing yesterday, and before anyone asks, there's no way that I know of legally or otherwise to actually find a level 1 staff member unless you already know they're there.

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268259.101 in reply to 268259.78
Date: 3/19/2015 9:52:19 AM
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This is what I did in the first season of utopia and I still have the 2 better guys I trained back then. Yes training 5 guys instead of 2 at lower potential might ease the cost issue.

the fan survey and merchandise benefits that accrue?
If they are not from your nation you get a boost of 1 ball or so in the fa survey in my experience and with a basic PR manager I was still constantly below the league average in merchandising even after 2 seasons with mostly the same trainees.

I don't know how to value that on the ledger, but I do know not having to go out and buy a backup guard/SG/SF every few seasons and eat depreciation there is worth it.
I don't believe depreciation is a significant factor between 25 and 30. I might agree it shouldn't be like that, but unless you overpay I think it's a fair assumption to think you can resell at a minimum loss, if any.


Yeah, I wouldn't ever suggest training just two guys with lower potential with anything more than a basic trainer. The benefit of higher trainer levels is finishing players faster or training them closer to their maximum, and when you've got a lower potential ceiling to reach, it makes much more sense to either spread training out to more players or use a lower level trainer (or both).

Two seasons of trainees isn't going to put a noticeable dent in merchandising, I agree - that's more of a long term thing. I've always been well above average in merchandising but I've pretty much been all-American for a long time now, and six of the nine players in my primary rotation joined the team at age 18 and are all are at least in their twelfth season on the team.

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268259.102 in reply to 268259.92
Date: 3/19/2015 1:12:19 PM
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Ok ill fix this for you so that it says exactly what you see:
basic
competent
advanced
superior
exceptional
world-renowned
You're adding the numbers on your own. If you hold the mouse over any skill in the game you will see a number. If you hold it over advanced you will see a 4 and not a 3. You can also click any skill in the game that takes you to the nomenclature in the game manual that shows you every level of skills. At the bottom you'll find the list for staff. It goes as this:
minimal
basic
competent
advanced
superior
exceptional
world-renowned
See that bold one? It is a level you actually cant recruit. Level 1 is something you get automatically when you fire your current staff.
With this new found knowledge go to the staff market again and do a search for a lvl 4 trainer and see how it looks.


Will do. Looks like that drop-down could use a little clarification -- it is misleding as it is, for anyone who doesn't start counting at "TWO." Just guessing here, but I bet most new managers stat counting at "one, two, three" or "uno, dos, tres" or "eins, zwei, drei" and so forth.

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