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Well, open up chinese II divisions and you'll see that almost everyone that's competing for a title is playing 3-2 extensively.

In terms of U21, you seem out of touch. Most top U21 teams have plenty of IS on guards . Plenty being even up to 16 this season. A single case tho.

Personally I see 3-2 zone as a counterpart to M2M, not to 2-3 zone. In my mind 1-3-1 zone and 2-3 zone are the real counterparts. I agree that those 2 and box defenses need a fix so we would see more differently built teams and argue more which tactic is overpowered rather than just arguing between M2M and 3-2.

Well, as it is now, yes, 3-2 is a counterpart of m2m, but looking at the rule page and the intentions of it, we can can clearly see what are the counterparts and what drawbacks should it propose to games. Clearly it wasnt made to be used against inside.

Last edited by Kritulys at 1/7/2022 6:14:28 AM

I didn't say there isn't any IS, but to my knowledge the squads aren't filled with 16 IS players. Last seasons European champion Italy had around 10 IS on their best guards so I base my assumptions on that. I wouldn't think that the situation in larger scale hasn't changed much. But I know for example Poland likes to train much more IS to their players.

And this seasons WC finalists have collectively used 3-2 zone once this season. So I'm not really sure where you see the problem here but I agree to you that 3-2 zone has much more usefulness in U21 matches than in other aspects of the game.

Also looked at the Chinese II division and I could find that 2 of the 8 teams in the finals are regularly playing 3-2 zone. 1 win, 1 loss. In addition 2 other teams played 3-2 zone in the first final but in other playoff matches they played M2M. 1 win, 1 loss. So I think 'almost' everyone is bit overexaggerating.

Well of course I don't know all the details, but few of the players were on transfer list and they had 8 and 10 IS if I remember correct. From the other 4 guards who played in the final only 1 had been ever trained as a C and only for around 5 weeks. And they played LI in the final too. So unless they trained IS off position, I can't find any reason to believe your claim that they had a lot higher IS than 10.

But I think this is getting bit off topic so feel free to message me privately if you want to discuss further.

Yeah I'm also calling BS on the claim that U21 guards are reaching 16 IS. You'd lose too many skills in the primaries doing that within 4 seasons.

Last edited by Jay (OTT) at 1/7/2022 5:33:58 AM

That was an impressive performance in the final, congratulations mate!