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158094.93 in reply to 158094.91
Date: 11/9/2011 12:05:08 PM
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Thanks, NOW I get it. +1!


Hi! Thanks for the question. I hope to clear the smoke that is gathering in your community :)

Each training, cross-training causes approximately 10% of training to go to a skill that is not primary or secondary skill you are training. I will give you an example:

Let's say you are training 1 on 1 for PG/SG like you mentioned. Primary skills that are trained are JS, HA and DR. So each training, cross-training (CT) will affect a random skill that is not JS, HA or DR. If CT affects a random skill that is much lower than the one trained, CT will raise that skill for more than 10% of whole training. If CT however affects a random skill that is much higher than the ones trained, much less than 10% of whole training will go into that skill.

I'll try to give you another example. Let's say you are training PA; secondary skills that are being trained via PA are HA and DR. So CT will never affect HA or DR, right? And let's say you have a player like this:

JS 7 JR 1
OD 15 HA 7
DR 7 PA 7

Every training, CT will affect one of the following skills at random: JS, JR, OD, IS, ID, RB, SB, FT, ST or GS.

Let's say that after first training CT affects JR; since PA is much higher than JR, CT will affect JR in stronger way. Let's say PA of your player will receive 87% of training and JR will receive 13%.

Second training: CT randomly chooses OD. Since PA is much lower than OD, also CT will affect OD less. Let's say PA of your player will receive 93% of training and OD will receive 7%.

CT is a bit frustrating when training a player who has a lot of skills that you don't care about at a very low level. Each training there will be a great chance CT will choose the low skill you don't care about and take more than 10% training off of your trained skill. I have a U21 guard with IS 2, RB 2, SB 1 and FT 3. I'm ok if CT goes into IS or FT; however, I don't like CT choosing SB or RB. Of course I don't know what CT each training chooses unless I see a pop in that random skill, chosen by CT.

I hope I made myself clear :)

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158094.94 in reply to 158094.91
Date: 11/11/2011 2:24:19 AM
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Let's say that after first training CT affects JR; since PA is much higher than JR, CT will affect JR in stronger way. Let's say PA of your player will receive 87% of training and JR will receive 13%.

Second training: CT randomly chooses OD. Since PA is much lower than OD, also CT will affect OD less. Let's say PA of your player will receive 93% of training and OD will receive 7%.

Thanks for the very clear explanation, but I still have a doubt.

Before CT was introduced, it used to be that if you train a skill with a much lower value as compared to similar skills, the trained skill would train faster than "normal".
Example: JS = DRI = HND = 17, Pass = 12. Pass used to train faster than if JS, Dri and Hnd were all let's say at level 8. Is this still true? Because in your example you only mention percentages of the training but not its absolute contribution.
I know your reply was about CT (although the question wasn't) and not about elastic effect, but the two effects mix... or don't they?

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158094.95 in reply to 158094.94
Date: 11/11/2011 3:03:52 AM
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Elastic effect of course still exists. We don't know for sure though which skills are correlated. Does JR draw it's elastic effect only from JS? Or also from HA and DR? What about OD? Is 1 on 1 training ever subjected to elastic effect? Etc.

One thing I know though; if you train a very low skill utilizing elastic effect, trained skill will rise quicker than normal each training. So those 10% of CT will be much greater than in a case where you train a highest skill and you will probably be able to see more pops of CT in that case. Of course I'm not talking about a CT pop every two weeks, but about two or three CT pops instead of one in the whole season.