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I don't know about that... the Knicks seemed to be employing that strategy for the last couple of years. Every player who started playing well was almost immediately traded for expiring contracts, injured players, or worse. If they could have gotten away with hiring high school kids and paying them nothing, I think Dolan would have at least considered it. The only reason they didn't immediately fire everyone and start from scratch was because they were stuck with a lot of big contracts that they couldn't unload on anyone.

Every player who started playing well was almost immediately traded for expiring contracts, injured players, or worse.

The Knicks won a third of their games and average a -3.8 point differential. Even the terrible Nets only had a -9.1 point differential.

How is that anywhere close to losing all your games while getting tripled up on average? If that happened in real life nobody would come, not even Cubs fans to Wrigley.

If they could have gotten away with hiring high school kids and paying them nothing, I think Dolan would have at least considered it.

Exactly, Dolan couldn't do that because its impossible to do in the NBA.

I didn't say the Knicks lost all their games while getting tripled up on average. I was responding to your comment:

You'll never see an team NBA trade or fire all its best players and hire high school level players to fill out the roster.

Regardless of their final win total and point differential, the strategy they were employing was to get rid of players as soon as they started to play well. Offhand, I can only remember Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford, though there were definitely others. The goal for the season(s) wasn't to win games, it was to clear cap space for Lebron.

Would you suggest a salary cap/luxury tax system for BB? That's really the only thing that stopped Dolan from firing everyone outright and starting from scratch.

Last edited by IronDoofus at 7/22/2010 1:57:41 PM

I was responding to your comment:

see: (152075.92)

Long term planning is great, but if selling all your players and getting blown out in every game is the new model for long term success then the game will be way out of balance.

Regardless of their final win total and point differential, the strategy they were employing was to get rid of players as soon as they started to play well.

I'm not arguing with long term strategies based around rebuilding your team. My whole point was the extremity in which it works in BB.

I'm making about 30k a week now (not including bonuses) and making very little value on training. I could easily sell of all of my players and tank for a the next 2-3 seasons and end up in D.III while doing some great training that's not possible while trying to compete. It would be easy to profit 200-300k per week minimum going this route, netting millions every season. With that bankroll and 3 well trained players you could build a super team that nobody would be able to compete with.

Last edited by brian at 7/22/2010 2:04:03 PM

I think it will become a common strategy in the future. Sort of like rebuilding, only refinancing. There is currently one team doing it in Thailand. When he decides to spend his nest egg, he will be unbeatable for a number of seasons. It will be my best option in about two seasons because my players are no longer valuable on the TL, although they are very good players with very low salaries. I don't think I will go that way, opting instead to try a new experiment when my team finally gets too old to take the floor.

It will become a common strategy for the teams that could be almost sure to rise up quickly,when they decide that they made enough money to build a competitive team...but also in this strategy,there will be enormous differences in the different countries
A Thai team of I division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in II division,with the incomes of a II division team and a good weekly amount of money every week,so he can made this decision being sure to rise again when he wants.A Spanish team of III division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in a IV division,with the incomes of a IV division that are too much lower than the incomes of a Thai II division,and he would need much more time to build a competitive team,only for the level of a spanish III division


There are enormous difference among the various countries,but the market is global,and the incomes are not related to anything else than the mebership to a certain division,who requeires very different levels in the various countries...so the economy is never stable because there are teams with really different weekly balances,while a stable market would require an equilibrium in weekly balance,and in the incomes/expenses/competitivity ratio

A Thai team of I division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in II division,with the incomes of a II division team and a good weekly amount of money every week,so he can made this decision being sure to rise again when he wants.A Spanish team of III division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in a IV division,with the incomes of a IV division that are too much lower than the incomes of a Thai II division,and he would need much more time to build a competitive team,only for the level of a spanish III division

Rofl....you're missing the point....this so called tactic is not possible in any country's division 3 or 4....the incomes are too low and why are you comparing 2 division to 3 or 4 incomes...honestly if you can't build winning team don't blame economy and so tell me how some people in italy or w.e division 3 or 2 actually promote higher if its so impossible by your belief....

A Thai team of I division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in II division,with the incomes of a II division team and a good weekly amount of money every week,so he can made this decision being sure to rise again when he wants.A Spanish team of III division who decide to use this tactic,would relegate in a IV division,with the incomes of a IV division that are too much lower than the incomes of a Thai II division,and he would need much more time to build a competitive team,only for the level of a spanish III division

Rofl....you're missing the point....this so called tactic is not possible in any country's division 3 or 4....the incomes are too low and why are you comparing 2 division to 3 or 4 incomes...honestly if you can't build winning team don't blame economy and so tell me how some people in italy or w.e division 3 or 2 actually promote higher if its so impossible by your belief....

Hey man,other users says that this tactic will became common because of the economic situation that will happen in the next season in many countries,I say why it will not happen in many big countries because of the too low incomes of some divisions

I'm making about 30k a week now (not including bonuses) and making very little value on training. I could easily sell of all of my players and tank for a the next 2-3 seasons and end up in D.III while doing some great training that's not possible while trying to compete. It would be easy to profit 200-300k per week minimum going this route, netting millions every season. With that bankroll and 3 well trained players you could build a super team that nobody would be able to compete with.

Go on try it, if you think it's so easy. I'm pretty sure it's pretty challenging to pull off in US. You are just speculating. I think there will be atleast one happy manager in US (the one who get's your spot in divI).

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/22/2010 7:39:44 PM

I'm making about 30k a week now (not including bonuses) and making very little value on training. I could easily sell of all of my players and tank for a the next 2-3 seasons and end up in D.III while doing some great training that's not possible while trying to compete. It would be easy to profit 200-300k per week minimum going this route, netting millions every season. With that bankroll and 3 well trained players you could build a super team that nobody would be able to compete with.

Go on try it, if you think it's so easy. I'm pretty sure it's pretty challenging to pull off in US. You are just speculating. I think there be atleast one happy manager in US (the one who get's your spot in divI).

The fact that its even crossed his mind and furthermore he has admitted considering it should tell you its not just a spur of the moment potential decision.

Being able to train 3 unique SF's with average salaries of 60-70k even when you are in Division III and having a few $1k players that will be replaced when you decide to promote again will smash the competition. If you are worried about the competition, then tank the cup and put everything into the regular season.

Maybe we need to tighten the restrictions to buy and sell further and/or introduce contracts with rewards such as 'frozen salaries' so that long term planning can be rewarded, less players find themselves on the market and so internal training becomes more effective and the TL when it is used costs more relative to where we are today.

Are you for real? A team who is playing in US divI for his 11-th season and has won 5 championships (including last season) is going to drop to divIII? Really??? First of all it's his pride that will stop him, if that fails (I doubt it), then it's common sense that comes into play. If he really goes through with it and is unable to promote again, he will most certainly quit. I dare him to do it, if for nothing else then to prove everyone that it can be done.
I do not what his tactic is, perhaps he tryes to lure his opponents to throw in the towel, making them believe that would be the way to US divI championship. I don't know, but if he truly does it, then I will make a t-shirt saying: "I suck hard at BB theorycrafting" and will post a pic of me wearing it in this thread, him failing and me being right is enough of a reward for me.
I might have considered buying lvl7 speciality trainer, it does not mean I will ever do it.