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I was trying to keep an open mind and at least allow you to sway some managers that may be on the fence about whether to vote for you or Phyr, but I think this comment has probably lost you the votes of all USA offsite members and most likely the Election.

However given my personal opinion of the game planning I wouldn't really be part of that.

I still think you are an amazing manager (I haven't even been close to the NBBA or D.II, like you have), but I just don't think the U21 NT manager spot is for you. I think, a lot like me when I first ran for the USA U21 NT, you will not be elected for this term, but have the potential to be the manager for the next term, if you are willing to get involved. When I lost my first Election to fewmit, I helped out and learned a lot more about our U21 NT. Then I ran the following term, won the spot, and ultimately lead the USA to 4 straight Gold medals for my two terms. I'm hoping you do have a change of heart and get involved, but I don't think you are ready to be the manager for this U21 NT at this present moment.

I will still be casting my vote for Phyr and this will be my last involvement in the Election process, but best of luck to all the candidates!

It is more the game planning side of things I don't see myself using as much as what you guys do at the moment. Outside of some initial scouting and maybe listening to some experienced managers on their thoughts, I don't think I would be involving myself to much in that kind of group decision. I would be running for manager because I think that "I" have good idea of what tactics to run etc, and would look to take that responsibility for myself with less outside input than previous managers have in the past.

I don't usually post in these kinds of threads, I'm more of a lurker, but I want to be as active and informed as I can be. That being said, I find this post rather offensive. By no means do I consider myself an experienced or super involved manager. I've played BB on and off for around 10 seasons, and I have a good idea of how the game works, but but not a ton of actual experience. I am currently fairly active on the offsite and try to always view discussions about training and game tactics, but unfortunately, real life commitments limit what I can do here, otherwise I would volunteer more of my time to scout and participate.

Though I don't consider myself to be the most knowledgeable, I'm very peeved that someone who considers himself a candidate for the U21, someone who wishes to represent the managers of the community would say that part of his strategy is to involve as little members as possible. Just because I don't know all the stats and numbers and history as some of the other people around, doesn't mean that my opinion should be overlooked or ignored. I want to be involved so I can get a better understanding of how the process works and maybe make more meaningful contributions in the future.

You're overlooking how community involvement, offsite or no, trains younger, less experienced managers on how national team games work, thus when people like jfarb and Coco leave, people like magiker, E.B.W and Phyr step up to take their place. If previous national team managers ran their teams like you're suggesting you'll run yours, we'd be in a worse spot than we are currently, because their successors wouldn't have been deemed competent enough to participate in gameplay discussion.

So far, you've done nothing but insult people like me, because you think I'm not good enough to give you advice. You think you have all the answers for a new age of the U21. Let me break it to you pal, as someone who isn't part of the "cabal". USA managers don't respect arrogance. You can't be a writer unless you read. You can't be a rocket scientist without studying the science of others. You can't be a musician unless you start off by jamming to others' tunes first. You can't be a manager, scout, or helpful contributor to this team without any experience. That goes for you and for me.

So far, you've done nothing but insult people like me, because you think I'm not good enough to give you advice. You think you have all the answers for a new age of the U21. Let me break it to you pal, as someone who isn't part of the "cabal". USA managers don't respect arrogance. You can't be a writer unless you read. You can't be a rocket scientist without studying the science of others. You can't be a musician unless you start off by jamming to others' tunes first. You can't be a manager, scout, or helpful contributor to this team without any experience. That goes for you and for me.

What is absurd here is that you would rather be a part of an American team that fails as opposed to something new and an American team that wins.

GODBEAR is ready to bring back the GOLD

By the way... Awesome analogies.

America. Do not let the offsite party control you. We are ready for the GOLD and we must make a change.

I would expect that they would still run a game planning thread, and I would expect that I would read over it (maybe not for every game, but for bigger games I expect I would). What I wouldn't expect to do is really get involved with the discussion myself. I also don't really "confirm" my tactics with anyone pre game, but I may BB-Mail someone (these being where I was talking about experienced managers) to discuss certain parts of GP.

I think that plus being involved in the player development/scouting part of it would still keep most of the managers on the offsite who truly want whats best for USA in the next two seasons, as well as down the road, to still stick around and use the offsite as they do. I can see that it is possible that there would be some friction and a few may quit due to change, that would be a challenge I would deal with.

I just think you're wrong in this. As much as I enjoy contributing to the U21 team, if my input isn't going to be considered, why would I even waste my time? You're basically willing to ask of people's time and effort but not willing to listen and it just doesn't work like that. It really is just so contradictory as you just said,

I will pay a bit more attention to the site overall, as I will not be involved with NZ anymore. However given my personal opinion of the game planning I wouldn't really be part of that. I am also not interested (for this season anyway) in having a training manager type role without the manger role (i.e. Coach or bust, no As. Coach\trainer role for me).

So here are my questions. You just said you wouldn't stick around to help out if you don't win because things won't work out the way you want, so can you really say that you'd expect the same of any other manager? And if you don't plan to stick around and contribute, nor have you ever to this point, can you say that you're a manager that "truly wants whats best for USA in the next two seasons, as well as down the road"? And if you don't care enough about the USA to be involved in whatever could potentially help the U21 down the road, why would I vote for you to be our coach now?

From these discussions, it doesn't appear as if you're willing at all to learn or change your methods and are disregarding the work of everyone who has contributed to the teams thus far. I understand your approach better now, but I don't think its the right one. No new leader walks into a successful, well-organized process and changes everything, especially when you don't even understand it. While our discussions are important, as some key contributions to game planning have come from managers that don't have the "experienced" credentials you're looking for, including in our NT Worlds Final game against China in season 28, and yet while people offer up suggestions, the manager is still ultimately the one who has the power to make the decision whether they implement it or not.

I get that the offsite community is not wanting a change, I am more running for other managers that also vote and may want to change things up

I don't think that's true. I have been trying to give you a fair shot and hear where you're coming from. Everyone has their opinion, as do all different offsiters, but I can at least speak for myself and say that I'm all for change, if it is beneficial. And so far, there's nothing that you've said that has sounded convincing around what makes you a better manager than Phyr.

My question for you though is how does the U21 continue to get better from here and sustain the success we've seen recently? Not just for the upcoming Worlds but how do we sustain the scouting systems, involving more coaches and development of future players, especially when the Offsite, where much of this is done, has seen the loss of key members with the know how?

I think the scouting system is a super important aspect of the U21 program. In the past scouts, basically just asked for skills in order to identify the top prospects...since the database system I was able to create already does AND gives recommendations for training plans, our scouts can focus their time on mentoring U21 owners in the pipeline rather than spamming bbmails to USA owners. Does this owner know how to manage GS? Arena? Tactics? These are the important things that impact BB success. If a domestic scout is able to mentor a player and help them decrease the BB learning curve, then they are more likely to be more involved in the U21 program in the future. It's sad to see some older players leave the game but I think with the measure I have helped implement we can create the next great generation of USA managers.

I can bring these divergent factions together. Give me the keys.

Collectively, we need to stop letting the offsite blind everyone with their pleas of relevance. We need to focus on the results.

We did not even win the Americas tournament under phyr. This is not acceptable. As Americans we can not justify this lack of success for any reason.

GOLDBEAR is ready to extinguish this U21 dumpster phyr and bring home the GOLD.

Last edited by GOLDMEMBEAR at 8/7/2015 10:39:37 AM

I just want to say that if I do win, I hope you stay around. My style as manager is one that I like to hear from everyone. There are alot of diverse viewpoints on the offsite and hearing all of those viewpoints make me a better manager.

My posts yesterday were meant to show holes in your and our opponents logic that I should be judged based on one game. Making the NBBA is an accomplishment, and you should be proud of that accomplishment. I don't believe that you should be judged just on the relegation series. I hope the voters pick their manager based on the totality of their accomplishments/efforts and not on just one game.

If you win, I will help you in any way I possibly can because in the end I care more about the U21/NT then my own successes as a manager. GL.

I've got to respect this. You undoubtedly were a major help the string of American victories before your term. And your promise to finish scouting when you lose is going to prove beneficial. However this is a results based position, and we need to look in a different direction for the chairman.

We need to bring the GOLD back to America. GOLDBEAR is ready for the challenge.

I would like to stress that being an offsite member will not automatically disqualify an individual from a position in my administration. In the end I want to make this more about results, and less about +1 balls and handies.