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(129389.79) That is the best solution I have seen in all the Big Country/Small Country discussions I have seen, preserving the concerns of both sides. It limits the possibility to earn massive amounts by having a small team salary while keeping the door open for smallcountry teams to reach the top. The curve on how fast you can reach the top (domesticly) will be steeper with less users no matter what, but with this solution it is on roughly even terms when it comes to the level that the competition goes global, and limits income that will be spent "carelessly" on the TL. In my country the rat race of having a competitive team are escalating and during the last 2-3 seasons, the former Joe Bigfish is losing his age advantage. Our level of competition is not the at the highest level, but in time I think and hope it will be. If the BB's intend to make a change I opt for JosefKa's solution, or something along those lines, since capping the possibility to become the best worldwide would be extremely unrewarding and not a good incentive to get new users to join. In most countries BB imitates real life, but in Norway (possibly others) they raise and revitalizes the interest in the sport. That is a remarkable achievement for any game. A group of friends in Fredrikstad have started their own buzzerbeater basketball team, others have been inspired to find a basketballteam in their vicinity and asked if they can train with them, and others yet have discovered the lack of norwegian coverage of norwegian basketball and basketball in general. So the interest is bigger than the supply/options. TV coverage of games is non-excistent, only Eurosport shows Eurobasket a seldom time. Lots of gym teachers throughout the country don't know how to teach basketball, focusing on soccer and handball to cover their incompetence. But this is a diversion.

I started in season 5 and have spent MASSIVE amounts of time (2-8 hours a day). Still I don't consider myself a bad manager or stupid not to have won division 1, the tournament and gone far in B3. It has just not been my main focus. I have tried to understand the GE, game dynamics, my own team and my own goals, my competitors priorities and mapping their players (skills from when they get bought and their weak tendencies). I have maintained a low salary, spending weeks and months monitoring the TL before buying a player because I have some strange and strict criterias of what I want in a player (always choosing multiskilled players with ST,FT and at least some RB not matter what position) and training players that I intend to keep. My point? JosefKa's suggestion is based purely on salary, which does not benefit my team at all, but I see it as the best solution for the community.

Regarding the teams that have started early, it is a dead issue and I think it's best that teams that have been supporting BB (as paying supporters or in spirit) for such a long time does not get punished. They have contributed to adjustments and suggestions on how to improve BB, and also had to adjust to a lot of changes. I think they deserve a rest from the accusations. (although keep the cheating reports coming. On those type of accusations we are all equals).

This is by the way the healthiest discussion on the matter that has taken place in my BB-history ;) Lovely to see that we disagree without trying to strangle eachother. That goes especially to manager:... no, just kidding ;)

Try to make a cricket simulator succesful in Spain...

...or in ANY country?

And, Jonidas, maybe you ought to build a few more courtside and box seats. You have sold them out for about 10 games in a row. One of the first things I read in the rules back in season three was that when you start selling out your seats, it's time to add more. And, while putting players on the TL might lower one part of your fan survey it raises another ( " doing everything he can..." ) so that argument is not only ridiculous, it is wrong.

It's easy to say this when you have more money than you need for beeing competitive in your league (you have an amazing -$21 000 000 in transfer history) . Jonidas is a great manager (he is now playing for his 4th promotion, so he knows who this works). If you are in a league with hard competition, if you want to upgrade your arena you have to sell a big player and then you won't be competitive.

You do know those bids you lose with teams from a major community is because the money they would have come as a result of macro-competition, right?

Or being in the game since season 1 or skillful ( or rampant) daytrading, or saving for a long time. And, ummm, I call bogus on you claiming that it always happens based on the 69 players you have bought on the TL.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 1/28/2010 8:53:48 AM

And, Jonidas, maybe you ought to build a few more courtside and box seats. You have sold them out for about 10 games in a row. One of the first things I read in the rules back in season three was that when you start selling out your seats, it's time to add more.

How can I build more seats without any cash, next week, with the allstar I won't have a home game and I will go to bankrupt. That's a problem in many teams of my league, and many others, we have to save our cash according to the schedule to avoid going to bankrupt. And that's the big difference betwen people playing in large and small communities, that we can't generate the same incomes as you, even if our outcomes have to be much bigger to be able to compete.

And, while putting players on the TL might lower one part of your fan survey it raises another ( " doing everything he can..." ) so that argument is not only ridiculous, it is wrong.

Yes, the other ones raises, but if the first of them decreases to 0,5-1 balls and the other goes to 4,5-5 the average is lower than if both of them would maintain in 4.

Last edited by Jonidas at 1/28/2010 9:00:40 AM

Or being in the game since season 1 or skillful ( or rampant) daytrading, or saving for a long time.

Yap, too, and I'm pretty sure most of the teams from smaller countries that compete with me in the market have not been as skilled (day or nighttrading) neither saving. You now seem to get it.

And, ummm, I call bogus on you claiming that it always happens based on the 69 players you have bought on the TL.

Sorry, what are you saying about 69 players I've bought on the TL, "transfer list"? What's the problem with this? I don't get it.

Edit: I re-read you and now I know. But still don't know how does it affect (me, buying 69 players) with the point I stated. Actually, many of those 69 were "rampant" daytrading in order to compete with market stuff (staff and players) caused in a good part by the unbalanced situation we've been talking about :)

Last edited by Pappa Flaah at 1/28/2010 9:21:55 AM

If you think small countries is not a problem, this morning I was going for this player.
Tiro: 11 Alcance de tiro: 3
Def. exterior: 7 Manejo: 4
Penetración: 6 Pases: 7
Tiro interior: 18 Def. interior: 8
Rebotes: 5 Tapones: 7
Resistencia: 4 Tiros libres: 3

bet 2,6, all I have, and a Asian team got him for 2,7, and would surely have gone to 3,5 or even more. It's a matter about effort time dedicated to the game with different/unfair success in a same market/court.

All your partners of your league are in the same position. In this moment you have to deal with them

Last edited by GM-Gonza8 at 1/28/2010 9:19:10 AM

I am not arguing whether or not Jonidas is a great manager. He currently has two players on the market, is in 1st place in his division, and has sold out or close to sold out his courtside and box seats for 12 weeks, while charging nowhere near max prices. That's a mistake by him. He has made 16 transfers in that time. It is not anywhere close to a stretch to conclude that he could have increased his seats some. He is currently adding 12 seats to his courtside, which is a great move. He should do that every time a construction finishes. Bit by bit, getting up to the max.

I would say that my transfer history is anything but amazing. Losing 21 million is not a very good record. But when I buy a good player, I keep him until I want to upgrade then generally sell them at a loss to ensure a sale so I can afford a better player with my savings and transfer money. The balance is not so important as the spending, though. I have spent 52 million in 8 seasons, while Jonidas has spent 39 in 8 seasons. WOW! A whopping 1.5 million more per season, or less than 100k per week.

All your partners of your league are in the same position. In this moment you have to deal with them

So, would you say that Buzzerbeater is just playing against our "partners of our leagues"? Because this would be totally out of debate.

I never really thought about this before

other managers did... literally years ago
it's a well known fact that playing in small countries can make the game very easy

And also when you sold players to Asian or Nigerian teams i dont think that you argue...

I think that there are benefits of be in a small country, but really i prefer to play in a big one.
In the other hand, as Crazy said (Or Patje), in this moment is not a problem, in last B3, of the best 16, only 2 where for "small" countrys.