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As I've stated before, yes I can get to a certain point long before you can, seasons before, but with good decisions on your part you will over take me in the end because the Income rewards for you are higher than they are for me at the same point in my country.

I don't agree because in my country I have 100 strong opponents. And I have to exploit more money to beat them. Promotion to 1st league is goal for many teams. For You it is start point...
Many teams in my country ruin their budgets in 2nd league to fight for promotion. They buy players with 600k or more salary, they train game shape. And how to beat them and develop quick simultaneously? If you train young players you develop team quicker but you have less chance to beat opponents. If you buy strong players you waste money.
And the biggest problem is that if few of these strong clubs in 2nd league will bankrupt, on their place appear new opponents.

You haven't these dilemmas. Therefore You can still develop Your team quicker.
Your adventure in BB is very easy. Without any effort You were in top-8 in Your country (I see in first season You played in 1/4 in cup and in 1/4 in league). You game was without difficulty. And now You have to face with first (little) difficulty, and You want to change rules. Of course You want to keep Your all previous (big) advantages. It isn't fair.
If You want to have higher TV contract - do You agree to be relegated to 5th division?
Game can't be the same for everybody. Small country means for example harder way for National Team, but easier way for clubs.

I have no idea how you can miss the point by so much lol

You have to use more money to beat them because you need more strength in depth, granted, so you can have that because you have the more income, I can't. Remember this is about competing in B3 not how easy it is in my Division over yours. As we figured out earlier, you do have more income than me if you make the right decisions. When you get to my point then you'll have more money. So at this point, how do I compete with you?
Again yes I can develope my team faster than you & I can get to the Div title or Cup before you, etc etc etc, but once you or another team in a larger country gets there too, I don't have as much income as them when it comes to playing in the B3, that's kind of the point I'm trying to make. Unless I am missing something, which is the title of this Post.
I don't really care if 99.99% of teams don't play B3, personally I don't think it's any where near that number, but it is the overall top prize, so, unless I'm missing something, I'd like to have a level playing field to compete on. Only Crazyeye has given any insight in to what I asked, rather than bitterness over me having it easier, which wasn't the point of this Post.
You & me went through this earlier & posted Incomes & I think even you where surprized at the difference.
P.S. bet Polish team lose a B3 game this week ;)

No. You are absolutely wrong. You have more incomes than me. Sorry, it's hard to talk with somebody who doesn't know how to count and who ignores facts.
To play in B3 we must firstly qualify to B3. So we can't talk about B3 without qualifications. It's like to talk about two teams in final when first played TIE in semifinal and 2nd played normal, and 2nd have claims because he has worse enthusiasm. Way in qualifications is important too, not only final tournament.
You have one of the highest incomes in whole game although You never won even conference in club history. And You write that Your situation is worse.

I am really surprised that are teams of small countries that have joined the game later than me that are playing in his cuntry firts division and winning titles and cups and still they are asking for more. I would only say them one thing: there are teams in spanish 2ª division that have 600.000 in salaries. There are worse teams in other countries 1º division.
This are the incomes in my league:
Plantilla: $ 440 971 Taquillas: $ 283 052
Cuerpo Técnico: $ 52 003 Tienda: $ 54 160
Ojeadores: $ 3 125 Contrato TV: $ 132 386
Total: $ 496 099 Total: $ 469 598
Promedio de Ingresos Netos: $ -26 501
We are losing money weekely. Somebody said something about weekkly profit in some league? 100.000? 200.000?

I would say only one thing. If we use matemathics and suppose that for every 100 managers in the game there is a super smart manager that makes things well and take always the wright decission, and extrapolate that to a 100 users country we would asume that in that country there is 1 great manager. If we have a country like spain that have like 5.000 users and asume that 1 out of every 100 is a great manager we have 50 great managers in the game. 16 of them are playing in spanish 1º division and the other 34 are playing in 2º division.
Conclussion: when a user of a samll country says that big countries have an advantage in the game and that they would prefer to play in one of them because they would have more options to win B3 I only have to say them one thing: why are you considering that if you would play in spain for example you would be able to play in 1º division? that is at least very risky to say. There are extremely talented users in spain that have never played in 1º division. If you would play in spain you maybe would never play the B3.

Spot on, Algope17. Spot on.

That's what I was trying to tell him all the time. Yes his income is smaller but so are his expenses. You know what , last season (granted I did not put much effort) I failed to qualify to the playoffs with almost 700k weekly salary. And you tell me we have it easy.

Please tell me what exactly is your point....As I cannot grasp it. You want things changed? well, guess what, that ain't gonna happen. Yes, it may be a database game but here as in real life hardships and effort are rewarded. Your countrymen don't play it. Tough luck. But only because BB is more popular in some countries than others does not mean we punish the popular ones. And all the people from Spain and Poland and Germany that put the effort to become the best in their country (which has far more users than yours ) deserve some respect.

Just be glad you have the option to play against the best. Stop calling for fair treatment. there is already fair treatment. Show me your salaries and I will show you mine. And the Bulgarian top team (I will personally go all the way and ask for his revenue). then we talk about fairness.

And few cents more.
Player Salaries Floor depends of TV contract.
In 1st league PSF = 120% x TV, in 2nd league PSF = 100% x TV, etc.
So if TV contract in small countries is smaller, it means that Salaries Floor is smaller too. Therefore teams can earn more money.
It's important for new clubs and tanking clubs, and even for clubs in B3, because nobody say that they have to have salaries over 800k.
Merchandise depends of players in club so debate about merchandise in small and big countries is useless.

Don't be sorry, just try harder to understand that people have a different point of view to you & if they do it doesn't make them wrong. This post is titled "Am I missing something" I was asking a question not making a statement. Crazyeye answered the question & then you & me compared Economies & which point you went quite, until others posted then you jumped back in. That says a lot.
Again, it's not about small country big country, it's about B3 & the player I had signed not making a difference in Merchandise. The rest of this is where others took it, I entertained it, as it might have lead to stuff I didn't know, but all I hear is "be happy your in the B3 most teams don't get there" & "99% of people don't play it". So what? I am there & I want to play it, so the question stood as to what am I missing?
I have made comments based on what I think about your Countries Division, but I don't know for sure & you do the same not knowing for sure on mine. How can any of what we talk about be Truth? & as for the "doesn't know how to count" statement, grow up & have an adult conversation without the "Play ground" insults.

Expense are the same as other teams competeing for the B3 title & I have never said it's easy for anyone, least of all for the larger countries.
Nope, again never said "Change anything" if fact I believe I said that they don't get much wrong in this game as far as I'm concerned, but if you read all the posts you'd already know that.
I go along with your point of "Real life hardships & effort are rewarded" again point of the post "Am I missing something" as this thread as gone off topic I have responed to different comments, but once your in the top competition isn't it normal to look at it to see how you can be successful? That's what I did & made my moves, but didn't see the money follow it & that's why I started this.
Here are my Finances & this is my best week since Ive played this game, so it would be a good gage:

Player Salaries: $ 771 813 Attendance: $ 587 829
Staff Salaries: $ 43 482 Merchandise: $ 85 942
Scouting: $ 0 TV Contract: $ 164 640
Total: $ 815 295 Total: $ 838 411

It's not about how easy it is in my country to win a Title or Cup, it's about the stage after that when you get to play others that have done the same. With all due respect, it's not about how many teams in Spain will ever win DivI or the Cup. I understand it's harder in the larger countries to compete, but not the answer to the question I asked way back when.

I would welcome the competition, it seems know one believes me on that but I seriously would".
So say you do manage to do this & you do win your Cup or Title, wouldn't you want the playing field to be at least somewhat fair when you go to play there? If teams your up against have about $200k p\w in income more than you, how would you ever compete? You can always think "I'm happy to win my Div or Cup" which is fair enough. I'm not. I not saying to win the B3 I'm saying to be at a point where I can be a team no one would really want to play if they could avoid it.