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252784.99 in reply to 252784.97
Date: 12/30/2013 5:54:33 PM
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Bingo.. I got him in the draft.. My whole point is valid. Tactic need a certain amount of skill to be played, this leads to buying players, which everyone s doing. Now they are going to tax. How will anyone every get the skill to play the tactic or the money to train. The trainers don't get better , they are capped but cost more. Some player will never be 200k$ a week or have the skills to be effective in tactics . Not every manager is going to be a guru trainers. Which creates another lopsided effect in the game if know when to sell and when not to.

Look let cut this bulls short, this rule is for abusive sellers . Im not selling any players, im just buying. Im taxed because I bought talent instead of built when tactics are lopsided. Yes true it would cost the managers less to train player into the tactic, but not for outsides shooting.

Let me let you in something you may or may not know. A effective outsides guard salary to have( as into buy) for outside shooting tactic goes up 5-20k every season in cost,< *need to have to be effective* (this is why a lot guards are over priced in value on the market and manager paying crazy amounts for the,). So in small how is a manager who bases himself that area of suppose to win or get better or yet even profit? Training is not bring in any revenue in BB right, now with a tax I just don't know. The manager is going to sell his players, so his team is balanced which equals taxed.

My solution. is to balanced all the tactics to even strength . If they want to add tax after that it would make more sense. Right now it make no sense, the game is to unbalanced in the tactic which lead to higher cost. It taxing people unfairly to compete

which leads to a overpriced players, which leads to suspended teams. Which is already the case without this tax?

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 12/30/2013 6:12:26 PM

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252784.100 in reply to 252784.95
Date: 12/30/2013 6:07:43 PM
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Then prove it wrong. Built out side shooting team and win B3.


What's happening at the B3 level has no effect whatsoever on your inability to compete effectively with an outside team in IV, though of course it's a convenient scapegoat. At this point I'm pretty happy having built an outside team that can make the playoffs in II, though I've added more salary this season because it felt kind of wrong to have a 150k/week profit and still have a winning record but not be able to put up a serious promotion challenge.

If your blind to the fact I got my pg in the draft 10 season ago at 2200 salary and 10 season later 6k Week.. Show me what I win with that?


No, that's precisely the point - that's not training a player. Training is something you do deliberately with a goal of either making money from selling the player, or making the player better to help you move up the league structure. While you've got these couple of guys who are essentially useless to you to show for your "training" I have six players who I picked up as 18 year olds who have salaries of 18k, 22k, 27k, 35k, 37k and 46k, all of whom play very significant minutes in my outside offense in a very competitive II league (* - edit: this season the 18k may not play many more minutes since he's now my 11th man, so he'll be mostly in the Cup and in for certain matchups only). Two of the guys are being further trained this season as well. After ten seasons of training, if all you have to show for it is a couple of guys going from scrimmage fodder to borderline bench players for IV, you're not training effectively, period.

I'm sure you don't want get into that because again, ill send you to your stop with all your bags.. But on topic this taxing is petty. If they are going punish sellers punish them directly not every single person on the game. That where my beef is.

If I'm over the cap then let me manage that. They are neglecting skills in price to have to run certain tactics. If you think it cost cheap to run Iso shooting , then have a good day in debt


They're not punishing sellers. What they are doing is saying that if you're running a team that is spending more than it makes, there's going to be a penalty for that behavior. They want to encourage people to build basketball teams, not bank accounts, so if you're training a player up from scratch into a good player, that's what they want to reward - while someone who goes out and buys up finished players isn't going to get that same cushion. The simple solution to the problem is don't overspend, and build a team that can win within whatever revenue you can generate - but, of course, that's something that is a test of managerial skill and so your mileage may vary.

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252784.101 in reply to 252784.100
Date: 12/30/2013 6:18:36 PM
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They're not punishing sellers. What they are doing is saying that if you're running a team that is spending more than it makes, there's going to be a penalty for that behavior. They want to encourage people to build basketball teams, not bank accounts


yep. that pretty much sums it up. basically, that's it. you could argue it will need some tuning in the future. but the point is pretty much in target.

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252784.102 in reply to 252784.100
Date: 12/30/2013 6:31:28 PM
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You sit here and play the fence when you now better. Talent cost money if you trained them or not.Every manager is not going to be a guru trainer. This why there is market and this why there is money for team saving to use such maret to buy.

Why should a manage be punished for saving for the future? Hell a decent person would say if your team cost 500K a season to run you need 2.5 million in the bank to be safe. But that's not case here on BB. Train a draft pick who is never going good unless your a guru trainer.

Overspending for a players is the natural ability of the market, its free market( its rare that you underspend for good player) . If I needed a guard for said tactic and have 100k to spend. It only natural that I go 200k after that purchase, Because im not only man with eyes for a guard in that tactic on the market.

As for your other comments . I built more profits and won games with a bad team that never played Li/Lp than you could do with a good team that you say you have... I have amassed over 16 million in 10 season. If I wanted to buy my way to the top its not hard to do. So before you open your mouth about my acumen judge your own. And maybe your sf wouldn't shoots so bad in push the ball. btw Im not in debt, I could buy a full team 80$k week players if wanted too.

Not as hard as it seems. I'm about tactics not just winning and havinga boat load of money, maybe if understand that,you wouldn't be so bitter.

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252784.103 in reply to 252784.102
Date: 12/30/2013 7:28:25 PM
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I can't get through all your ramblings but
there are 10 year olds in this game that understand the training
no way a trained player with any kind of potential can't get past $6000 in salary
there are cheap trainers that will train any kind of player
the better the players get, the better your team is, the more they are worth
that you trained a player from 2000 to 6000 shows a complete lack of understanding of how this game works
it renders all of your arguments unreadable after the first paragraph
it also shows that you've wasted plenty of time
sorry...Just the facts man

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252784.104 in reply to 252784.102
Date: 12/30/2013 7:31:51 PM
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you wouldn't be so bitter.

Who is the one complaining?

You seem to think training is black and white. Either you're a horrific god-awful ineffective useless good for nothing trainer or a "training guru".

Which one are you?

I also love your, how am I going to put it, "Glassisms"? Something about cutting a bull who's just out playing with a fence in the sunshine. I coughed up my nutrigrain bar laughing.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/30/2013 7:33:25 PM

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252784.106 in reply to 252784.105
Date: 12/30/2013 7:53:42 PM
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time to get people off the fence and cast a vote as to how they believe the new change (over extension tax) will affect the game


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252784.107 in reply to 252784.102
Date: 12/30/2013 8:27:28 PM
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You sit here and play the fence when you now better. Talent cost money if you trained them or not.Every manager is not going to be a guru trainer. This why there is market and this why there is money for team saving to use such maret to buy.


You don't need to be a guru trainer or some mystical swami to create useful players from training. If we were talking the difference between players who are trained exceptionally well (which doesn't describe me either, btw) or just players trained moderately well or better (which I think I'd fit) that'd be one thing. But that's not the case here - to be perfectly frank, you have never trained a player that sold for more than 20k and you've got nobody that you've trained ever that has a salary of even 10k. That tells me that when it comes to "training" whatever you're doing is so ineffective that you're not creating players other people want or even that you want.

Why should a manage be punished for saving for the future?


So, to be clear, you're saying that losing money on a weekly basis (which is the only scenario where you'd be taxed) is saving money for the future?

Hell a decent person would say if your team cost 500K a season to run you need 2.5 million in the bank to be safe. But that's not case here on BB. Train a draft pick who is never going good unless your a guru trainer.


Once again, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. The number of people on here who are creating players via training is sufficiently large that the game manages to have a transfer market without your contributions.

As for your other comments . I built more profits and won games with a bad team that never played Li/Lp than you could do with a good team that you say you have... I have amassed over 16 million in 10 season. If I wanted to buy my way to the top its not hard to do. So before you open your mouth about my acumen judge your own. And maybe your sf wouldn't shoots so bad in push the ball. btw Im not in debt, I could buy a full team 80$k week players if wanted too.


I was pulling over 150k/week in profits the last third of last season, with a roster under 300k total salaries. And won 5 of 7 games. I also, until this offseason, never in my BB career had $1M in my bank account - something to do with continuing to push money into my arena when I had extra money. I suppose if I had sat on the nearly 2M I put just into new lower tier seats next season, I could see what it's like to have big numbers in the bank account.

Not as hard as it seems. I'm about tactics not just winning and havinga boat load of money, maybe if understand that,you wouldn't be so bitter.


This, just like your whole comments (that were intelligible, at least) speak exactly the opposite. You simply sit back against lesser competition, building up your war chest because you subconsciously have figured out that you can't compete on even footing. You keep telling yourself (and anyone who'll waste time listening) that you're about tactics and you'll have this money and succeed wildly and, well, I regret to inform you that I find that highly unlikely.

And I'd love to hear more about my SF. For example, who exactly are you referring to? I have nobody currently with a listed position of SF since the last season's salary changes to JR/SB. I play several different players in that position based on my opponent and depending on my training needs. I'll go ahead and pass on the PTB advice, though - there's good reason why I don't run that and your opinion of it just doesn't move the needle at all on that.

Edit by Perpete:
Just corrected a messed up (quote) tag


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252784.108 in reply to 252784.107
Date: 12/31/2013 1:02:20 AM
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Until this season and being thrown into a tough d. Iv league my whole team was homegrown and it was competitive enough to carry me to 128 in cup vs real teams

6k pg that you drafted at 2-3k and had for 10 seasons...

I got a pf/c with higher salary than that thT I trained for 1 full season and then he only gets 2-pos training sporadically.

You do know what is meant by training right? Week in week out 48+ mins of training focus for MULTIPLE seasons...

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252784.109 in reply to 252784.108
Date: 12/31/2013 3:41:40 AM
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man, if this thread goes in this direction it makes no sense to keep it. And it's just because some childish person throws frustration all over.

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