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I do find a few fundamental universal truths in this thread. One of them is this:

There is lots of death, war and murder in this world right now and its primary source is exactly racism [or nationalism]. If people are killing eachother over these things all over the world for 1000s of years we should not be suprised that they will come out while playing video games.

We might hold a more idealistic idea ourselves, but the reality is not what we hope for. BB is neither going to create world peace nor cure cancer.

We have to consider the possibility that merging countries into multi-national leagues is not the solution to perceived competitive unevenness across countries.

However, consider this: it is already true that for the most part, teams are themselves multi-national. So few teams are “home grown” that threads develop in the forums about them. This gives rise to another possible mechanism to address the perceived competitive unevenness across countries; retain countries and flags only for teams, not leagues. LET EVERY TEAM RETAIN ITS NATIONAL IDENTITY. Let leagues have no national identity at all. Teams from all over can play in leagues not identified as the league of a particular country, but rather by a number or some other non-geographic and non-political label (Eg., Dr. J World, Big O World, Big Dipper World, etc.), AND EVERY WORLD COULD HAVE FULL DIVISION I, II AND III AT LEAST.

Those customers who feel nationalistic could continue to prove their team from their home nation is capable of beating teams from elsewhere. Those customers who value the game more than nationalism are similarly accommodated. Debates can ensue as to whether World 10 is stronger than World 13.

National teams could still exist for any country interested in a national team and the B3 COMPETITION COULD CONTINUE. The perceived inequitable advantage micro-nations have in their finances versus large nations would be gone, so the competition might be FAIRER than now.

Of course, this entire thread could be moot. Just as Utopia was apparently decided upon first, and second there was “discussion” of something already decided, a course of action might have already been chosen. I hope this is not the case, and this thread has meaning.


Last edited by Mike Franks at 4/11/2016 11:30:50 AM

I am completely opposed to integration.
I prefer the current style.
If the merger happens I will certainly do my country, I will not play.

Just my opinion, in short.

Merging Leagues would be OK, but merging nations is no't so good for me.

Users will lost their NT-s, U21, their identity, their country.

But making 2-3 micro-nations play in a new league should be OK, and more competitive.

What is exactly a micro-nation, a nation belong how many users?
For me a micro-nation is not a nation they have lets say a full active 1st league.

I get along with this , the leagues can be merge due to better competition, but the countries should stay as they are.
But if you merge Albania and Macedonia (as it is speculated), that would be suicide for you. Maybe you should make some official survey in which the users can select wich country they can merge with.

By reading most of this thread so far... I guess a simple option would be just keep countries the way are, simply change the system in such a way that each and every team in the game is part of a system which has at least one first league, and 4 full second leagues. This way, competitiveness is higher and also tanking gets a little less easy for countries with less than 20 users.

But if you merge Albania and Macedonia (as it is speculated), that would be suicide for you.

So is the problem strictly with Albania? Would you Macedonians be okay playing with managers from Montenegro?

Why don´t you just simply ask the related nations and all of their users with a survey in every national forum? Than you will have clear fact´s!

So instead of having roughly 5% of BB managers upset about a change (current micro-nations), we'd have 25% to 30% of the managers upset about a change. It could be very dangerous.

In Austria we just organized a suvey and about 80% recipiants are actually upset about a merge for Austria. Not about a change!! A change in different things would be necessary!

Once more I can say that I´m not able to see the consequential necessity to merge every Nation with less than 50/40 active teams. If there´s a problem with walk overs in NT games, than you just have to fix this problem. I guess there will be less discussion with this view nations ;-)

Edit: a lot of managers from macro-nations are involved in this thread!


Last edited by hupfingatsch at 4/11/2016 10:06:18 AM

But if you merge Albania and Macedonia (as it is speculated), that would be suicide for you.

So is the problem strictly with Albania? Would you Macedonians be okay playing with managers from Montenegro?

Yes of strictly with them, but if we merge with Montenegro, what would be name of the new League. If I win the league or the tournament I want to be Champion of Macedonia not Champion of some not existing country. Simple it doesn`t have sense. We will lose our identity, so it`s the best for our country and our managers that there are no changes.