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In this situation for the larger community, where there is competition, there is no hope of being able to compete in the B3 or in the market.
If I'm born in Ghana I would have some hope. Now I wonder if the principle of realism, that the game is pursuing, is observed.

first of all you have chanches, they are some big country teams with good runs in the BBB and very few small country teams.

Small country teams have disandvantage in the BB because the cup is over pretty early, which robs then a n extra tie and they had lower income through merchandise and tv - overall i think the chanches are pretty equal because a BBB team don't make more money then another(or at least those who are competing for a good result there)

Weak teams will get better players, and become better teams. However, there will always be weaker teams that run on profits, and those will always be able to bid more.

That's life -- the game is created so that the weaker teams are able to catch up, not so that the strong teams become stronger all the time.

Now that's a very good joke: are you a natural or did you think it over for a few hours? :-D

Really, I simply believe we play two totally different games.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think I'm a weaker team? Well, surprise-surprise, in the typical situation of a IV division in Italy, Spain or Germany teams don't really have the economical conditions to improve unless they make a long term (3-4 seasons) extremely careful plan (e.g. don't try to achieve a promotion unless you are absolutely sure that you will not demote the following year)... and they also need some serious luck.

If instead you think I'm a strong team, so that I must have a hard time improving... well, I simply believe that for a newcomer in Italy, Spain, or any other medium-large BB-nation there is simply no chance to make it to the top 2 divisions, and sooner or later this will reflect in the dynamics of the number of BB users.

Is there any economic changes in country if that country is wining national team games? if no it should be, and this would solve problem discussed here. your country is wining - you have more fans, more income. your country is losing, income drops. look at how it is in real world. look at Lithuania, it is a small country, but national team is sixth on fiba rankings in world. now think... Lithuania is just 3mil people country, how can this be? because we are wining, each one lithuanian is a basketball fan. you wont find a lithuanian who doesnt know Sabonis or Jasikevicius or Siskauskas or Ilgauskas. Back in bb world, wont this solve everything? train players for your country and you will have more income if your country win something. what do you need for this? 10-12 players each one training a players at positions needed. and if you cant do that, then its not BB's fault, its communitys fault.
Theres many countrys in BB. managers in one country are competing against each other. this way they would have to work toghether too. it would add something to the game, dont you think? with so many countries, the game would have more fun if competition between countries would be more important than your league or domestic cup. would it not be?

This would encourage even more farm teams & underhand tactics... watch how quickly some countries would swell to 3x their current userbase.

this should be watched by gms and punished?

"Farm teams" are a problem because they build players far from communities and the NT lose interest

i don't think it's a good idea
i don't want to go bankrupt because my NT had bad results

It makes no sense that a team first division of a country with few users, such as Japan or Canada will be able to dominate easy the best Spanish or German or ItalianSpanish or German or Italian.

And why not? Those teams don't deserve an equal chance to compete? And its that domination there at all? Last time i checked 3 out of 4 in the semi-finals of B3 this season come from the larger communities.

I sorry but I can not see the issue for the big D1 teams in the big communities. If teams in US Ger and Bra can make it to the semies and still be on top of their division it hardly makes any sense why a team from Italy or Spain can not do the same thing.

If you argue that D2 and below teams in big communities are at disadvantage I am more willing to agree. But the reason for that is not the fact that they face strong opposition twice a week. It comes from the fact that those teams are monsters of teams compared to any D2(or below) teams in medium or small countries. You see this as disadvantage for the big communities but I see it as a chance for the rest of the world catch up just a little.

Dude the problem is that!! To compete you need a big palace and big players, in small community how many hard games do you have? You need strong players and a strong roster and however you loose!
Loosing means have less income and in the middle term you see your economy get worst. It's easy to see that. Some player in Spain or Italy in II leagues have better valuation than in first series of small community.
This is not correct becaus you point of view is not attemp!

You need strong players and a strong roster and however you loose!

Reality check.
Well, this is a multiplayer game, so you will always be playing against other managers. That means, unless you are a superior to your opponents you should lose about 50% of the time. After all you are competing against 15 other teams for that promotion every season, making a division in less than 7,5 seasons makes you better than the average.

Now, there are any ways to be superior, and it is a long way to every one of the. Having a bigger arena, better calibrated arena prices, better salary-efficient players, better at scouting and guessing your opponents tactics and weaknesses, etc.. In any way, it is hard to have the upper ahand on all of these at the same time. (to the point->) Playing in a small country as the only dominant force could give you the power on all of these, but that would be the equivalent of poking an ant hill with a stick. Does make you feel like a man? Didn't think so..

What I percieve from most of this thread is that some big countries teams are dissatisfied with not having the possibility to play bot teams and buy better players than their opposition, non? The first part there is little to do about, the second is a neccessity to manage the steep level of opposition a new manager in a small country meets. As Superfly mentioned you will, as a new manager in a small country, meet a massive resistance and get pounded every game, taking the fun out of it and prevent you from committing to the game. Imagine that once you start a team in Spain you had one "easy" season, then were pitted in the current level of ACCB. That is the reality for an underdog small country team. Yes, they have bigger spending power in the beginning, but much less than their rivals, whereas a big country team meets more equal competition. Now, who needs it the most?

What I percieve from most of this thread is that some big countries teams are dissatisfied with not having the possibility to play bot teams and buy better players than their opposition, non?

I'll try to make it clear the reasons of my dissatisfaction: part of the fun in playing this game comes from winning in a challenging environment (note - challenging, not impossible), part comes from having the feeling to be building something, improving something, creating a 'story'. Right now the structure of the game (it is, as you, say, structurally hard because of the single promotion and 4 demotions in a division) and the economical scenario make it extremely hard for me to do either of these things.

I train players, of course, but everybody does that and they age (and please don't talk about the draft, it would be an insult), so I'm not getting more competitive, I'm not really improving so much. I simply cannot afford players able to improve my team, even by selling one of my key players I'd be (hopefully) able to buy just a marginally better one, due to players' costs and to the excessive amount of money that is still out there... where does it come from? Not from my division. Not from III divisions in Italy (I've been there, I saw the economy)... and by reading the thread I have a few hints on where it is generated. Anyway, the situation from my vantage point seems frozen, immobile, and impossible to change... and not fun. Nothing personal... it just an opinion.

Small country teams have disandvantage in the BB because the cup is over pretty early, which robs then a n extra tie and they had lower income through merchandise and tv - overall i think the chanches are pretty equal because a BBB team don't make more money then another(or at least those who are competing for a good result there)

Thats not true at all.
In Nippon they are in semis of the Cup. They have rounds enough to play with full enthusiasm all the rounds.
Nigeria and some other small countries are only affected for the semis and the finals, which is unfair if we compare them with Nippon, who has 2 more rounds of domestic cup. (having similar users).

Nippon has a tournament for 256 teams, having only 34 active teams.
Nigeria has a tournament for 64 teams, having only 28 active teams.

In fact, I can assure you that small countries contenders have more enthusiasm than me today : )

If you want my sincere opinion, I wont fight for the B3 any more. I wont WO, because I have a high respect for this game, but I wont care for the B3 enthusiasm or line-ups any more, so I suppose that I wont advance more than 1-2 rounds next years. My fight are domestic cup and domestic league, and I will give all I have to succeed in both.
As someone stated before, little comunity top teams are playing a different game. And I wont destroy my game-shapes or give league matches to my enemies like this one, (17957436), just to try a competition where the HCA is decisive and where little country teams have full advantages.
Thats all.

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 1/30/2010 8:23:26 AM