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that is very high... in our league it is $ 9 218.

Looks like the arithmetic mean. My league has a scouting average of $ 16 250 (which I find surprisingly high, btw).

That's the problem with the arithmetic mean. It is very susceptible to outliers. So if, for example, two teams in your league are spending $40,000 on scouting, it could skew the average.

If you're worried about this, then you want to look at the median value.

I want to but at present I can't. ;-)

Taking an example - let's say 6 teams in your league are spending the max on scouting - $40,000. Even if the rest are spending 0, the mean shows an average of $15,000.

So do you still find $16,250 to be a high value? In most cases, it would probably make sense for the 6 worst teams to be spending the max on scouting.

For some reason I thought $ 30 000 was the max. :-) Okay, so it's 0/5/10/20/40.

The mean is somewhat high for my conference even with the real max value (and not the 30 000 I thought it was), but I haven't considered the expectations of the 3 new teams in Great 8 enough to judge their spending. It probably makes sense to spend more for 2-3 teams in that conference.

I expect my conference to have a 5-5-5-10-10-20-20-40 type of distribution, which is not dominated by outliers and where the mean is almost the same as the median value. Great 8 is trickier, it's probably more like 5-5-10-10-20-20-40-40. This is the top league, so there may be more big spenders than I expect.

WTF is with new endings of a game ;/ 2 min to go and my C is shooting for 3 in close game in 14 sec of an action;/ 2 opposite players shoot the 3 ball and it were their firs shot of the game :D

GE sucks

There's a vast difference between "the GE may have a flaw or two that is being addressed" and "GE sucks".

The latter is simply false.

I read all the thread now and i hope its not too late : )

First of all, no users posting here from the biggest community in BB, Spain, a very few Italians, no much people from Germany and France also. And what about South America Countries? Nearly no one here!

In the other side a lot of messages from people in very small countries giving an opinion that i absolute disagree, specially about the economy changes and the 10%-20% increases in the wages (coming in 2 seasons). There is also here a debate with the wages and the impact in B3.

Some info:

Spain has 5433 users
Italy has 3920 users
Polska has 2798 users
Usa has 2167 users
France has 1449 users
Lietuva, Latvija and Eesti are over 5000 if we count the 3 as 1.
Argentina and Germany and Portugal also are over 1000.

If teams from countries with 25 users or 100 or even 400 are fighting for winning the B3 all those years, something is not working here. Its clear that Less competitive leagues give huge advantages to fight for the B3. Only a team from a great league, Springfield Drunkers, has won once the B3, in his first year, and made 2 finals, but he has been forced to play the promotion Play Offs to stand in Serie A last season, and in season 5 he didnt make the POs.
He has never won the Italian Serie A the years he played the B3.

Teams from Sweden, Nederlands, Osterreich, Norway and Canada are making 1/4 finals easily (in most of the cases winning easyly their own leagues), and very strong teams from Spain (for example) most of the times lost in Round1/Round2. Only Granada Stars arrived once to the 1/4 finals, and if we except Italy and sometimes USA, its hard to see teams from the most populated countries in the final rounds of the B3.

Even if we accept some exceptions, the best managers are in the most populated countries (more teams, more quality), but we are not seeing this in the B3. Small countries teams can TIE all the league/cup games during the B3, win them and (till last year) they were able to put their best players in the B3 as it was very easy for them to take in control the minutes of his players.
Also they have more economy incomes (better results), better stadiums (no rivalry, no needs to spend in players, they can use a season to spend 40k in wages and invert the rest in stadium and they are going to play in a top division anyway)

And now they want exceptions for the 10-20% players national tax? More advantages? If they are few managers, they have less players to buy, but also there is no rivalry to buy them.
My opinion is that teams from little countries should play between them before the B3 starts and then the best of them go to the B3. Or maybe 2 or 4, but never all the teams, it is suppossed to be a super competition between the best managers of the world.

And thats not just my opinion, i spoke about that with some of the top teams of Spain and agree.

Its uncomparable to win the league of a top country with 4000-5000 users (as the Spanish/italian champion do) with playing nearly alone in phantom leagues.

I want to see replys and answers from people in populated countries. What do they think?

Regards form Spain.

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 3/18/2009 1:39:05 PM

My opinion is that teams from little countries should play between them before the B3 starts and then the best of them go to the B3. Or maybe 2 or 4, but never all the teams, it is suppossed to be a super competition between the best managers of the world.

It's not about the best managers, its about the best teams. There's prob some great managers in the game that started later and/or come from bigger countries where it takes longer to become strong.

What you think it should be and what it is are different at this point. Though, it appears there will be quite an uproar if the BBs take measures to balance the playing field.

I want to see replys and answers from people in populated countries. What do they think?

Oh, right. Well i agree with your point, but i dont agree that smaller countries should start or play in a different B3. Love to see more balance, though I'm not sure what is the best way to achieve it.

Last edited by brian at 3/18/2009 2:00:50 PM

I think the best way to achieve it is to let the cup runner up qualify for the BBB in the situation where the Cup winner is also the top division winner. That would solve all of the problems. :)