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My opinion is that teams from little countries should play between them before the B3 starts and then the best of them go to the B3. Or maybe 2 or 4, but never all the teams, it is suppossed to be a super competition between the best managers of the world.

It's not about the best managers, its about the best teams. There's prob some great managers in the game that started later and/or come from bigger countries where it takes longer to become strong.

What you think it should be and what it is are different at this point. Though, it appears there will be quite an uproar if the BBs take measures to balance the playing field.

I want to see replys and answers from people in populated countries. What do they think?

Oh, right. Well i agree with your point, but i dont agree that smaller countries should start or play in a different B3. Love to see more balance, though I'm not sure what is the best way to achieve it.

Last edited by brian at 3/18/2009 2:00:50 PM

I think the best way to achieve it is to let the cup runner up qualify for the BBB in the situation where the Cup winner is also the top division winner. That would solve all of the problems. :)

It's not about the best managers, its about the best teams. There's prob some great managers in the game that started later and/or come from bigger countries where it takes longer to become strong.

What you think it should be and what it is are different at this point. Though, it appears there will be quite an uproar if the BBs take measures to balance the playing field.

I think that the best managers should have the best teams, the problem is that countries with 20 players have the same conditions as countries with thousends.

Maybe its just my problem and what i think it should be sounds crazy for some people (i understand it), but lets go the debate..

I started in the Vth division of Spain and i had to promote 4 in a row to get the ACBB, its not the same start in a big country or start in a little one. The advantages for the small one are too big.

Oh, right. Well i agree with your point, but i dont agree that smaller countries should start or play in a different B3. Love to see more balance, though I'm not sure what is the best way to achieve it.

Its not the only way. Maybe a proportional players from all the countries based in their population, maybe Italy (for example) deserves to send 8 teams, and other countries just 1.

Or you can base it in the power of the country at NT level (ranking), or both things, NT level + Population of the country.

A half or more of the Buzzerbeater community cant access to this forums just because they dont know English, and this are the forums in wich the BBs are, so the debate that we see here its important, and all the points of view should be shown.

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 3/18/2009 2:47:03 PM

Also the Italians agrees with you. Personally I will not touch the BBB but I will change the merchandising income and also the fan basis. I think more or less everyone in the best division has something around 3500 fans, I will change the fan basis (it means change the money earned every home match) following the numbers of active users per country, for ex. next season your fan basis can be grow of 500 people, in Italy 450, in Island only 100 in order to balance the huge difference among the countries. As in the reality I think that Lakers has more fans that Siena, it means better incomes. In baseball I've to pay to play here in Italy in USA I can be millionare maybe
Anyway the focus isn't the BBB, the real problem when you face great teams coming from small countries is to compete with them on the market, the BBs should be understand that on a long term this is a big advantage for them compare to teams that plays in Spain, USA and so on, they can easily win (killing their championship imho) so they can easily expand the arena = much money.

100% agree..

New measures in economy are also needed to balance the game at international level, or a few teams from little countries will dominate BB.

, I will change the fan basis (it means change the money earned every home match) following the numbers of active users per country, for ex. next season your fan basis can be grow of 500 people, in Italy 450, in Island only 100 in order to balance the huge difference among the countries. As in the reality I think that Lakers has more fans that Siena, it means better incomes.

The real crux is that the gap is not the small countries v big countries.. it is who signed up in season 1 who should be better than those that signed up in season 2 then those in season 3... if training / management was the same then season 8 starters have a long way to go no matter which country they start in.

What has exaggerated the problem is that thru the amount of playable countries the percentages of new users are scattered from the 0.1% to maybe 6% depending on the popularity of the game in each location.

Why not just re-distribute ALL teams based on a global ranking into equal regions/divisions.... Forget countries altogether (apart from your initial chosen country) so that Japanese can compete with Italian/Spanish/USA teams in a mixed league.... then as new teams enter they get distributed evenly so that there is never an issue over who is it easiest for.

Lakers sure have more fans than Siena however if the quality of the teams and PR was better then perhaps Siena could really establish themselves on the world map.

Your proposal might seem fair to those already playing but if 2 new managers signed up tomorrow it would still not be fair.

The ONLY way in my opinion to create equality is to create equal leagues....

We play seasons every 14 weeks.... PL's are more exciting for a lot of teams than their own national title... why not just convert the PL's into more meaningful competitions and merge every nation....

National teams would still be very much active and if the drafts were still defaulted to the initial clubs nationality everything would still work as it does today.

BB3 is too much of a lottery.. as nice as it is it would be a reward for those that qualified to play mini leagues guaranteeing 4-6 matches before a knock out stage. Despite it being arcade, HCA is still vital to get to the latter stages in most cases....



Last edited by Superfly Guy at 3/19/2009 3:51:40 AM

What about 32 leagues of 1500 users (approx)

Seeded based on the latest BB rankings...

1st in ladder progresses to Gold BB3, 2nd to Silver BB3, even 3rd/4th etc or a Cup BB3.. there are endless possibilities...

It is surely going to come to a stage soon where starting life out in a Div 6 in some countries gives a monumental learning/progression curve.

Its a radical suggestion but one none the less for consideration... I cant imagine top teams being opposed to it as they should be better than most top teams from smaller countries and should progress up their ladder faster or force the top team from the smaller nations to play at a much higher level.

Smaller teams and new teams joining should on average join a ladder at a better starting point with more structured chance of progressing....

Downside is you lose maybe some very close rivalries but then why not use PL's to replicate the best of Italy or the best of Spain if you want to see who is the best from each nation?? If you want to see who is the best in BB then teams should play competitively cross border every week.

Your proposal might seem fair to those already playing but if 2 new managers signed up tomorrow it would still not be fair.

True, a team that signs up in a the US starts in division 5 and makes division 5 revenue. A team that signs up in Japan starts in divisions 2 and makes division 2 revenue.

Both teams will have the same expenses and prob the same competition. The US team will take many seasons of excellent management to get to were the Japanese team started.

100% agree.

It is a radical proposal but an interesting one. Why not to try something different? All this kind of games are arraged in the same way, but I find really interesting to compete in the same league with teams for other coutries. I think that's something reall amazing thus It will balance many problems. If people want to know how's the best of his country, private league competitions could be an interesting option for supporters. A really interesting one if it is the only way to do it.

We could still have NT competitions and National forums, etc. But the Regional Forum ((for saying something)) would be a really interesting one. I think it shoul be reall funny to speak about Regional competition with users of many different countries. And B3 would be a really high level competition, and just advancing trough rounds will be honorofic. Because, you won't be fighting against a team that shoul be in 3rd division in your actual country, your opponent would be someone really good. That is for sure. Or... we could just wait until al BB countries grow a lot so in some point of the time we will reach a position where every country is going to be competitive. But that's going to take a long time to be reached. If it actually happens at some point.

Why not just re-distribute ALL teams based on a global ranking into equal regions/divisions.... Forget countries altogether (apart from your initial chosen country) so that Japanese can compete with Italian/Spanish/USA teams in a mixed league.... then as new teams enter they get distributed evenly so that there is never an issue over who is it easiest for.

You seem to neglect the importance of the communities in BB. There are very active league forums in many leagues and these would (almost) completely disappear.

Btw, sooner or later you will have to admit that the current situation gives a big economical advantage to your team (and congrats for your ratings in the BBB) :)

You seem to neglect the importance of the communities in BB. There are very active league forums in many leagues and these would (almost) completely disappear.

Well the trade off in carrying out such a radical proposal would naturally have some fallbacks. All I was suggesting is that if the divide is getting wider why open countries each season that will sure to only attract a handful of new applicants?

The leagues contested for by the 'strong' communities could still be replicated if the desire was really there.

Btw, sooner or later you will have to admit that the current situation gives a big economical advantage to your team (and congrats for your ratings in the BBB) :)

The advantage I enjoy at the moment stems from starting in season 3 and only having a couple of other teams in the JBBL that did likewise. The rest have joined and the team ratings look distorted because it is unexpected for any club that has joined over 2 seasons afterwards to fairly match up at this stage. Had these teams been put into divisions with others that applied on the same day or had the other season 3 managers that started in the JBBL still been here today the story would be slightly different.

You might want to argue I have a rotational advantage by carrying 9 top players when I could likely get by with 6 but that has not been handed to me and I have earnt that thru past decisions. I somehow still make $20k (excl. prize money) a week more than the average team in my league but I carry almost $270k more in salaries - C.D. Arunda is RAKING in the cash I would imagine as he doesnt push the boat out on his roster for his even more automatic BB3 appearance!

Thanks.. ratings this week were about as good as i can ever expect - I had an injury free team, highest possible enthusiasm & HCA. I also had just 1 SB pop this week.. so wont likely be improving on those for a while yet!! There really are some amazing squads out in the BB community at the moment....I'll say it again as Im sure its the same for other countries in a similar position to Japan... we have 4 teams now with 2-3 chasing that are more than a match for a lot of established L.1's. Had our users including myself made on average far worse decisions than we have made it would surely be different.

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What about an idea where teams could choose to opt out of their National ladder in favour of a global league? This would distribute more success amongst those choosing to stay and fight internally and a new challenge to those that wished to move on.