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Date: 1/31/2010 4:32:04 PM
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the fact that 1st division teams make the same weekly net income as a IV team is what is supposed to happen for the BB economy, when the 2 teams play in "mature" divisions

what someone of us is trying to understand is if the currently "immature" leagues have a chance of grow and become "mature" or not
i hope charles can answer the question i asked in this post (129389.254)

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Date: 1/31/2010 4:41:36 PM
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The difference between(salary-arena) your team and the big four of serie A is about: +450000k weekly for you

The average seats in your serie for big four is : 16500
The average seats in serie A for big four(for salary, there are team with more and more seats) is : 18500

so, it's not a problem of seats, but the earning from the arena in small countrys is too high


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I think the answer to that question will be different per country. But since we see a steady global growth in BB, I think every many countries got the chance to eventually grow big.

Some countries struggle like Lubnan, a country that has been here since season 3, but still only got 8 managers.
Other countries show a very fast increase in the amount of users, like Taiwan, in season 9 they were still below 100 managers, now they already got almost 450. Scotland got just 12 users around season 9, while they are now at almost 40.

It changes per country, since in some countries are wealthier and other countries got a better basketball culture. I think most of the countries we got in BB got the potential to grow, but since I think userbase growth is exponential, the start is the hardest.

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Date: 1/31/2010 4:49:41 PM
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If we are talking about BBB you have some point, but BBB its all about 0.2% of the users. Is that your worry? i dont think so. You are not competing there, and from the results it doesnt make sense to care that much about it.

Your main problem is your domestic competition. But again that is not related to small countries.

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Date: 1/31/2010 8:12:08 PM
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You dont need me to bore you with the maths but anyone still complaining they can't buy the right players or make a profit because of their arena needing to be expanded; sorry you get zero sympathy from me.


This is not fair. In Spain ACBB all the teams except 3 were borned in IVth-Vth division (most of the times Vth) with a weekly incomes that were less than 80k. Our weekly profits were close to 0 our first seasons. I can assure you that is not easy to build an stadium in these conditions.

Give me 600k/week since the begining and I would have the second Maracaná.

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In Spain ACBB all the teams except 3 were borned in IVth-Vth division (most of the times Vth) with a weekly incomes that were less than 80k.
Actually it is even less. That's similar to what I started with, and I think that is about as low as it gets for a starting team. I understand that new managers are eager to compete, but when starting in division V(or in any of the bottom 2 divisions), you don't have a far way down, so that is the best stage of the game to build arena. Cut down the team to a minimum by selling and firing those that don't get sold, build arena for all turnover until the arena is at least 10k bleachers. Teams also has a starting bonus that I think should be used on arena. Unforunatly this has become a neccessity for new teams to not get in the situation Spain and Italy are in now, before at least the top divisions. Take a look at Germany as a big country that does not suffer under so hard economic conditions. Why? They focused on arena on a large scale. Because of the current situation a single team breaking the norm in Spain and Italy now, building arena with any means neccesary, risking demotion in the process, will most certainly have better chances than a team focusing on promotion first to have better income (and then build arena). I'm not saying teams have done wrong choices or managed badly, but that the circumstances and high level of competition makes it neccesary to take steps to be able to afford those high salaries. Even if a team did not take those steps at the beginning it is possible to sell a player or two and invest in arena even after time has passed. Especially since the prices for players are at the level they are at the moment, and arena expansions have gone unchanged, it should be possible to do this quite easily. A maximum build out of the arena would come to somewhere around 6 millions. Mot much more than what a lot of medium leveled guards and good centers are sold for. Which brings us to the TL prices. Are the high prices on the player market caused by:
10 countries currently comprise 68.5% of BuzzerBeater managers. ...included Srbija [the largest country in the next lower group, with 960 managers], that would be countries containing 70.2% of managers.
with high competition level that promts high quality players, or the few teams in small countries that have utilized their earning potential (which is far from all)? Personally I believe the first may have a bigger impact.

Give me 600k/week since the begining and I would have the second Maracaná.
We all know that no team earns that amount from the beginning, since it is a neccessity to build more seats than you start with, even if you have the conditions to earn maximum, to earn sums like that. Are there even veteran teams with a positive balance of 600k a week?
The max any new team can earn in theory is 131500$ ((4500 bleacherx20$=90000$)+ (450 lower tierx70$=31500$)+(50 courtside seatx200$=10000$)). This is if there had been no random factor, 5 balls on all categories of fan survey, probably a lot of factors more that the BB's won't tell us, and only after the team has had the possibility to change prices. The default maximum income for a starting arena is 65750$ ((450x10$=45000$)+(450x35$=15750$)+(50x100$=5000$)) Considering IF the manager of the new team have had a team before and has extensive experience plus is aware of all these aspects, I think it is safe to assume he would not even get near the maximum before at least some time have passed, even in the smallest and newest of countries. Therefore the starting conditions for new teams are very similar for any new team. Some may have an easier road to promote, but no one can utilise the earning conditions and afford a very high salary total if they don't focus on infrastructure (arena). Hope this clears up a little bit.

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Date: 1/31/2010 10:07:41 PM
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A new team in a tiny country has the stadium with full attendance after his first preseason. No matter the balls.
I started with an arena of 5000, in my first matches I had an atendance of 1232, 772, 1656, 1439, 2464, 2499 and 2234.

The last attendances were higher because I spent my starting money in buying some players that allowed me to have a winning streak. If I had invest all my money in stadium, I would never promote that year to 4th division, and I would have to deal with atendances between 700 and 1500 for a pair of years. It wasnt easy, and we took the best decisions we could under that circunstances. I just point this because is easy to say "your strategy is not good, because your stadiums are very little", but at least 13 of the current 16 ACBBs had to face this circunstances in their beginings.


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But you got the top anyway. I think is better to success in something like that than start in league 1. For the feeling.

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A new team in a tiny country has the stadium with full attendance after his first preseason. No matter the balls.


Could you clarify this, please. I don't understand what you mean or how you came by this information.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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